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[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

China's biggest hurdle is not the ability to make a chip, but more the ability to get good yields. It's more or less running into the same problem Intel did with 10nm, and what samsung has and the main reason why basically every chip maker is behind tsmc on bleeding edge.

This has the potential of accelerating a switch from x86/arm to more open standards.

hardware is a two way street, the other is getting a proper OS environment and people to be behind said projects. It's not like RISC-V designs aren't currently available.For example, Pine64's risc-v options have been available in the market for quite some time now. And DeepComputing is trying to release its framework laptop equivalent board using a StarFive JH7110. It will only accelerate if there is a bodies available to create the ecosystem in it, and as of the moment, not many developers are putting effort into making it an ecosystem.

An example of why hardware/software need to coexist is Snapdragon X Elite on Linux, as well as Asahi Linux(Arm based Macs on Linux). Neither are complete projects and do not hit the same performance their native OS versions hit yet remotely(nor efficiency). Theres a LOT you have to do to optimize hardware to the OS, and that just doesn't happen instantly.

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Seriously might be more advantageous to China (and the world) to infiltrate TSMC so they don't have to re-invent the wheel.

If China had access to TSMC's secrets, TSMC would need to compete even harder which would result in better products and lower prices for everyone!

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

its partially tsmc, the other half is getting ASML EUV machines, which require getting past US/Dutch trade secrets.

ASML is the top level grip on edge node manufacturing because not all companies at the post 14nm wall believed that it would arrive in a timely matter. TSMC was the one that took that bet and why its the biggest.