If Russia was ever truly pushed to the brink Russia could always nuke Ukraine. There is no real way to win against nukes besides giving Ukraine their nukes back because America did not hold up their end of the nuclear deal.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If the west gave nukes to Ukraine, Russia would obviously treat that as a nuclear attack by the west. At that point everybody dies.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Possibly. Which is the point. There is no way for Ukraine to win unless the west wants to risk nuclear war.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Exactly, the whole thing was a folly from the start.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This situation has already played out with the nukes the west put in turkey in the 60's. I would hope they wouldn't be dumb enough to repeat that mistake, but things these days are pretty fucking stupid over here in the USA

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

pretty much yeah

[–] Chuymatt@beehaw.org 1 points 1 month ago

Well, the only party that did was Ukraine, really.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 month ago

Maybe don't give nukes to a fucking nazi government in hopes that'll bring peace? Why not start with diplomacy and iterate from there?