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[–] girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If people are in crisis they have already lost their autonomy.

Says who? You should defer drawing that line to the experts; who will likely agree with 2xsaiko. Not being able to perform your job or blend in with society is different from being a threat to others.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Says anyone who has seen someone in crisis.

You think THIS person has autonomy?

https://x.com/Wtfportland1/status/1686570302984314880

Or this person?

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/naked-man-charged-with-attacking-woman-on-max-platform-was-released-from-custody-hours-earlier/283-13a6c2da-6d29-4e69-a35e-8c93bb14d974

or this person?

https://eastpdxnews.com/general-news-features/naked-man-in-shed-on-se-rhone-street-threatens-cops/

They are LITERALLY incapable of making decisions for themselves. If they were, they wouldn't be running around naked in the rain screaming.

[–] girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We're talking with exception to people who don't threaten themselves or others. Themselves being the gray area.

Of course you would only focus on people having a psychotic breakdown where they threaten others, but having a mental health crisis does not mean someone is automatically a threat to those around them.

Here's a guide to de-escalating various mental health crisis situations.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

What constitutes a threat to themselves is living in squalor in a burned out car because they're incapable of making the correct decisions to care for themselves or others.