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62% of Americans agree US government should ensure everyone has health coverage
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Maybe they should have voted then, last election most people couldn't even be bothered.
I think part of the problem with that argument is that only a small percentage of Dems want real coverage and the rest want status quo insurance crap- and this coming from someone who did vote.
I still remember when ACA happened. The smart people who wanted single payer or similar were shunned out the room. If I was a slightly stupider or slightly more vengeful men, I too might have gotten disengaged from the political system.
Except if the dems had solid majorities for years they could be pushed left easily. Look at California. Not as left as Lemmy wants obviously but so much further left than the majority of the country.
That is exactly what it will take for major progress. Otherwise it won't happen.
I see, Democrats needed to win every single election for a decade or more before they could give us healthcare.
Cool system you have there.
Yeah, that's kind of how it works.
Do you think the tea party got their fascist takeover in 2010? No, they worked years and years and kept pushing their party further to the right every single time until it finally happened.
Imagine that- you have to put in a couple hours of work at most every year or two for so many years to actually get what you want. Oh how absolutely awful that burden is. /s
They got their fascist takeover by being bankrolled by billionaires.
And guess what? Republicans actually achieve things every single time they win. The moment Republicans have power they push their agenda and they get what they want. Democrats don't do that. Democrats allow themselves to be stopped by the likes of Lieberman and Manchin every time they get majorities. Why is that, do you think?
It's tragic. But hey- where were the people voting in primaries to oust Liebermann? And Biden and company just passed the biggest climate bill ever. But sure- take your ball and go home. I'm sure things will magically get better by being lazy.
I think the turning point for being mature is when people realize that politics is not about big changes. Maybe they campaign on them but things don't happen like that. It takes a long time even if the answer is obvious. Thinking that all of a sudden the US will dismantle the healthcare and health insurance industries in ONE term of Congress when it underpins a ton of the economy (which includes people's jobs mind you- not just made up crap on the stockmarket) is foolish. It is a leviathan and will take time to eventually get to universal with insurance (ie. public and private) or single payer, etc.
And FWIW, it's easier for Republicans to get what they want because all they want to do is break things. Trying to build something takes time. But again, go off.
No, that's the turning point for being cynical. You've been beaten down over and over and learned to accept it. Big changes happen all throughout history, literally what are you talking about!?
You're exactly the same as anti abolitionist Republicans in the 1800s that thought slave abolition was too extreme and we needed to incrementally abolish slavery.
I want to break a lot of fucking things.
This is all pointless anyway. Harris lost because of worthless liberal incrementalism! People won't vote for it!
If you want to lose forever, keep doing what you're doing.
No she lost because people like you convince everyone that "both sides are the same." They are far from it and Dems are worth voting for because in our electoral system they're the better choice (and the only realistic one.) That and people don't do their CIVIC DUTY. It's not incumbent on anyone to get you to vote at all. Go vote 3rd party for all I care but at least go vote.
And big changes tend to happen after big events. If you're so hopeless then go be a Luigi. I would accept that. But I quite frankly am not looking at starting a civil war before we've at least tried to vote change in. And we clearly haven't tried given that people don't do it every single damn time.
And what big changes? I'd argue the ACA was one. Same with the IRA. You might not think so because it's not single payer wrapped up with a bow or that the IRA didn't immediately take us down from 1.5*C change but they are big. And they were done with VOTING. If you don't recall, healthcare was abhorrent compared to what we have with the ACA. And maybe if people went and voted Dem since that was passed we'd either have a true public option or be even closer to single payer. But they didn't so we're not. Funny that.
Quite frankly, I vote left in primaries and Dem in general.
If YOU want to lose forever, keep your ass at home and your involvement contained to bitching online. Surely we'll get to a better place then. /s
Democrats are going to let Republicans ban federal dollars for trans healthcare, essentially putting it in the same position as abortion access. That means I'll probably lose my hormones and fucking die.
While you're such a big fucking adult, you'll let them kill me and fucking vote for it.
If we're ever allowed to vote again.
Let?
Quite frankly you need to wake up and realize fellow Americans were too fucking lazy to vote Democrat for you. There's nothing Democrats can do now.
Perhaps try blaming Republicans and their voters too.
They could filibuster, like Republicans do every time Democrats try anything. It works for them!
They won't.
Instead, as soon as Republicans get elected they can kill any minority they want. The only obstruction comes from other Republicans. Democrats just roll over.
And I guarantee at least a few Democrats will reach across the aisle to help, and the rest will do nothing to obstruct, because they want to punish minorities for not winning them the election. Obstruction would be uncivil! It'd violate the norms!
And then I'll fucking die.
And you'll just sit around and wait a couple years to vote for them again after their complicity got me killed because you can not imagine anything else.
Or maybe you want me to die too.
Because neither Obama nor Clinton campaigned in 2008 for single payer. And there was no margin to spare in getting the 60 senate votes needed (although they should have only need 50 no 60), and so Lieberman all by himself was able to kill the Public Option that most people would have used.