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It appears that in every thread about this event there is someone calling everyone else in the thread sick and twisted for not proclaiming that all lives are sacred and being for the death of one individual.

It really is a real life trolley problem because those individuals are not seeing the deaths caused by the insurance industry and not realizing that sitting back and doing nothing (i.e. not pulling the lever on the train track switch) doesn't save lives...people are going to continue to die if nothing is done.

Taking a moral high ground and stating that all lives matter is still going to costs lives and instead of it being a few CEOs it will be thousands.

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm not necessarily disagreeing that it's a false dichotomy, but do you have viable alternatives?

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't presume to have the answers, but there are plenty of alternatives if we're comparing them to murder in the street.

I replied to another comment about one specific way to introduce licensure risk to insurance company doctors as a way to get them to change their policies. It happens all the time, and the more people that know about it, the better. (They rely on people being unfamiliar with how they operate)

Long term, I think our best bet is to keep pushing for universal healthcare that will effectively make health insurance obsolete. It's a winning message (something like 60% of America already supports it), and we've come close at least twice in recent history.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I replied to another comment about one specific way to introduce licensure risk to insurance company doctors as a way to get them to change their policies

That's a bandaid solution at best.

Long term, I think our best bet is to keep pushing for universal healthcare that will effectively make health insurance obsolete. It’s a winning message (something like 60% of America already supports it), and we’ve come close at least twice in recent history.

This country couldn't even turn down the guy paraphrasing Hitler, whose promised to finish gutting the ACA. The chances of us seeing universal healthcare through "the right way" isn't good.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The point was to throw out some ways that one can push for change without murdering people and hoping for the best, not to solve healthcare reform in a Lemmy comment section.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The point was to throw out some ways that one can push for change without murdering people

And that point is undermind by those ways not being viable.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're entitled to that belief, but I've seen the first one work in my field firsthand, as I said. We've also seen universal work in multiple countries, and I'm optimistic we'll see ultimately see it in the US too.

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

No one is questioning whether it'll work. We know it works. We're questioning America's ability to actually pass it into law. Which doesn't look good (especially as many other countries are slowly eroding their own universal healthcare options as the capitalist class manages to nibble away at it). And in that sense, we've been moving backwards