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[–] snakesandcoffee@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

3% is miniscule compared to the 40% reported for the Russian munitions. Given the quantity of DPICMs and their far lower dud rate, it's basically just an accounting error at that point.

It's also a false equivalence to compare DPICM vs no DPICM -- the longer the war drags on, the more low-grade munitions will be used from deeper stockpiles which will inevitably have a substantially higher dud rate.

[–] str00pwafel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is specifically about the DPICM rounds:

https://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/mlrs.html

"The original M77 has a relatively high dud rate (about 5%), and the M85 is a derivative with a self-destruct fuze to lower this rate significantly (< 1%)."

We consider 5% to be a high, unacceptable dud rate. These submunitions were reworked to improve that to less than 1%. For each rocket dispensing 544 submunitions, less than 6 would be duds on average. I think cluster munitions have gotten a bad rep overall (not that it hasn't been deserved) but you're right, this is apples to oranges.

[–] Spacebar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I have no problem with Ukraine using the cluster munitions, I'm just pointing out that 5 shells will lay an area with 15 duds turned into landmines. Ukraine will be careful where they use them.

They also can and will use some for drone bombs.