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[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This is absolutely untrue.

Dems should have just used more charts that show how actually you're not paying more for groceries and making less money adjusted for inflation.

They also should have just had Kamala drop out and replaced her with Liz Cheney, that would have gotten the moderate vote.

They also should have shamed the people who don't like funding wholesale slaughter around the world more, these are jobs we're talking about here!

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

They also should have just had Kamala drop out and replaced her with Liz Cheney, that would have gotten the moderate vote.

Let's take a look the other Republican politicians that endorsed Harris:

  • Anthony Scarramucci
  • Adam Kinzinger
  • Arnold Schwarzenegger
  • Geoff Duncan
  • Alberto Gonzalez
  • William Webster
  • Jeff Flake
  • Fred Upton
  • Liz Cheney

These are all former politicians who either sent out media or actively campaigned to support Harris. But Liz Cheney was the bridge too far. Gee, I wonder what's different about Liz Cheney compared to literally everybody else on that list.

Liz Cheney was never the fucking problem. If Liz Cheney endorsing Harris was supposedly the breaking point for you, you were never going to vote Harris to begin with.

They also should have shamed the people who don’t like funding wholesale slaughter around the world more, these are jobs we’re talking about here!

Ok, now answer this:

How does allowing Trump to return to power make any of this any better in any way?

How does allowing Trump to return to power not make all of this exponentially worse?

How does allowing Trump to return to power benefit you in any way?

[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Lol love the smoke. I voted for Harris, even encouraged my irl friends and family to. I just think that tacking to the right is insane.

Cheney's the one I happened to hear the most about and they're all shitbirds, but go off about the misogyny.

I'm the parent of a trans kid, I'm at a real risk of being chased out of the fucking country right now or maybe just thrown in jail, based on the chitchat around the watercooler now by both Dems and Rs. I've already been chased out of one home by bigots empowered by these pieces of shit.

I absolutely didn't want Trump to win. His win emboldens right wing terrorists across the country.

My criticisms are genuine and valid. I'm describing to you the things that put people off with less to lose than people like me and the people I love. The Democratic party deserves to burn for this, but instead they'll all be #resistance and send out more fundraising texts while the rest of us suffer. The lesson they'll most likely take from this is the one people like you seem to be taking "we can't run a woman because misogyny and we need to start burning leftists because we're not right wing enough."

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Lol love the smoke. I voted for Harris, even encouraged my irl friends and family to. I just think that tacking to the right is insane.

Cheney’s the one I happened to hear the most about and they’re all shitbirds, but go off about the misogyny.

You're proving my point for me. Schwarzenegger is a career Republican, endorsed Harris, and is infinitely more influential than Liz Cheney could ever dream of being. But nobody had a problem with him. Kinzinger sat right next to Cheney at the J6 hearings and endorsed Harris, but nobody has a problem with him. Anthony Scaramucci. Michael Cohen. Former Trump associates and aides up and down the GOP political spectrum.

But Cheney -- who, to remind you, is a Republican who sacrificed her political career to stand up to Trump in the first place -- is the straw that supposedly broke their backs. Gee, I wonder why that is.

And y'all act as if Cheney herself was running for office. She wasn't. She was run out of politics. She was not up for election. Her policies were not ballot initiatives. Her entire campaign was saying "Look, we don't agree on anything outside of the fact that Trump cannot return to power." But that was just too much. I mean, what was it that set her apart from her equally or more prominent male counterparts who also endorsed Harris? I guess we'll just never know......

I’m the parent of a trans kid, I’m at a real risk of being chased out of the fucking country right now or maybe just thrown in jail, based on the chitchat around the watercooler now by both Dems and Rs. I’ve already been chased out of one home by bigots empowered by these pieces of shit.

Of course you are. I absolutely believe you, because nobody on the internet would lie about things that can't be proven in order to give the illusion of "credibility".

I absolutely didn’t want Trump to win. His win emboldens right wing terrorists across the country.

The Democratic party deserves to burn for this, but instead they’ll all be #resistance and send out more fundraising texts while the rest of us suffer. The lesson they’ll most likely take from this is the one people like you seem to be taking “we can’t run a woman because misogyny and we need to start burning leftists because we’re not right wing enough.”

Of course, it's the Democrat Party's fault, and has nothing at all to do with voters who sat home and allowed a dictator to return to power because his opponent was not the omnipotently perfect candidate.

And I'm going to challenge you to answer these questions:

How does allowing Trump to return to power make this situation better in any way?

How does allowing Trump to return to power not make everything exponentially worse?

How does allowing Trump to return to power benefit you and your community in any meaningful way?

Because the only answers I've been able to get to these questions from people like you are silence, insults, and downvotes.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Since the thin rainbow line isn't going to answer it:

All of those questions boil down to the same thing libertarians were telling kids in the 90s. They want to push the country/world to the breaking point with the expectation that they will come out on top in the revolution. Which works especially well in a culture where guns have more rights than children and EVERYONE thinks they are the totally no-homo love child of John Matrix and Captain Price.

I like to lurk at Restera when I am bored and it was REAL funny to watch all the folk in the "Socialism OT" get mass banned around the time they got bought out (I think MMO Network quietly owns them?). because suddenly having swarms of people openly talking about wanting guns for violent uprisings became a no no.


And the other reason I decided to reply to this: Just because someone understands that trans rights are human rights doesn't mean they support all civil rights. Trans folk learned the hard way just how many Ls and Bs are TERFs, for example. Bisexuals continue to get "pick a side" shit from the G and the Ls. And so forth.

Because it is the same with racism. Understanding that racism against your skin color or even your friend's skin color doesn't mean that you care about racism against ALL skin colors. Just ask us AAPI folk (and watch as we instinctively explain that our parents somehow became white supremacists rather than acknowledging that we get shit on by all our "allies" any time it is convenient).

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

EVERYONE thinks they are the totally no-homo love child of John Matrix

Gotta give props for the Commando reference alone.

[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 1 points 3 hours ago

You got me bro.

I'm a secret Trump shill encouraging local mutual aid and how the Democrats could/should have won.

Hey, if you get your way me and everybody like me won't be a problem anymore, grats on the dub.