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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/21917446

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[–] Liz@midwest.social 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yes, actually. RCV is complicated enough that it causes poor NYC voters to submit invalid ballots at a higher rate than their rich and counterparts, something that doesn't happen with "choose one." Still, RCV is good, but Approval Voting is better. Under Approval, an invalid ballot is impossible unless you put in illegal markings, which would invalidate a ballot under any method.

[–] Carnelian@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Can you tell more about approval voting? I haven’t heard of it

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

You're given a list of candidates, and you can select however many of them you approve of being in office. Votes are then tallied, and whoever has the highest approval total is who gets voted in.

[–] stembolts@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So I don't get to prioritize one candidate over the other? I can only vote "approve" or "disapprove"?

These are rhetorical questions and I know the answers, but dang, you failed to explain the "ranked" part of "ranked choice"..

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's because I didn't explain ranked choice voting, I explained approval voting... They're two different things

[–] stembolts@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

Guess I'm dumb. Tbh this is an expected outcome.

[–] Carnelian@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Oh fascinating! Thank you

[–] Liz@midwest.social 2 points 2 days ago

Other folks have let you know what's up. You can read more about it at https://electionscience.org/

Personally I think their recent website remodel really took a lot of the meat and potatoes out of their presentation, but I'm not a media guru, so what do I know?

[–] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not who brought it up, but it's essentially just checking a box if you approve of the candidate, and check as many boxes as you want. Highest number of box checks wins. I'd take it over first past the post, but I prefer RCV still. Proponents of approval voting say it helps weed out extreme candidates, but I find the most extreme candidates in the US have historically been a huge net win, so I'd prefer to give them a better shot at winning.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 4 points 2 days ago

I'm not sure if Approval would weed out extremists in practice or not, but using the current voter behavior under FPTP and extrapolating to Approval doesn't really hold water. Even in Fargo and St. Louis we're already seeing different voting behavior, where only 30% of voters chose to be strategic in who they vote for. Under a FPTP election you pretty much have to make a strategic decision.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 3 points 3 days ago

Approval is good and should be used to move to either STAR or 3-2-1. RCV is barely better than Plurality and this ballot is just one example of how RCV implementations can cause issues.