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I read a Reddit (through RDX mind you) post the other day that included the Who we serve page from the democrats' website. The user noted that men were not on that list and pointed it out as on of the reasons Kamala Harris had lost. Meaning the Democratic Party should pander to the white young men demographic as well. A link to the post (through RDX)

I keep seeing this sentiment over and over again on social media. And I can't help but make the analogy to the "All lives matter." as opposed to "Black Lives matter." Am I wrong to think this? I am not from the United States. Please don't bite my head off as this is no stupid questions.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (33 children)

I'm just gonna be blunt and accept the downvotes here:

All this "the Democrats failed because [blank]" arguments are just blame shifting. We all saw what Trump was about, what he did while in office, and especially what he did after he lost that office the first time. We all know what kind of threat Trump represents to the future of this country.

The fact that (up to) 15 million Democratic voters stayed home and/or voted 3rd party is a failure on our part to take that threat seriously.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago (8 children)

We all know what kind of threat Trump represents.

No we all most certainly don't. I can't tell you the number of conversations I have had with people on both sides of the political spectrum haven't heard of project 2025 or many of his policy proposals. The ones who have heard about them mostly don't seem to believe then.

The most common response to "watch out we're marching towards fascism" is always some variant of "This is America. It can't happen here"

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Not really sure what more could be done to inform people of the dangers of Project 2025. Maybe repeating it ad nauseam caused people to tune it out or something?

There's always going to be a large majority of the population who is not informed about anything and just vote on vibes. Biden & Harris took a lot of the post-Covid economic heat that many countries are dealing with now, and isn't unique to the US or specific policies. That's causing bad vibes and rejection of incumbent leadership everywhere.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Repeated ad nauseum? Only in the furthest left areas of the Internet did I hear it mentioned more than in passing. It was a very brief series of news posts. It came up in the debate, and he managed to brush it off as not being his. And everyone just let him get away with that answer.

Do you have any idea how many mailers I got about "stopping the liberal agenda"? If there had been as many, or any at all about P25, maybe people would've been appropriately concerned

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

Perhaps I'm just in an echo chamber? John Oliver spent a full half hour of his show outlining it all and that has 10M views on YT and an estimated half a million who watched it live. ^1^

And everyone just let him get away with that answer.

This is the most baffling thing, he can do every career suicide move and get away with it.

1 - https://ustvdb.com/networks/hbo/shows/last-week-tonight/

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