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Summary

Donald Trump’s decisive victory in the 2024 election leaves no room for ambiguity or an “asterisk” in his legitimacy, as he won both the popular vote and the Electoral College.

This outcome represents a clear mandate from American voters, who knowingly chose Trump’s policies and approach.

The anticipated results include pardons for January 6 participants, attacks on the press, and an administration filled with controversial figures.

By voting for Trump, Americans prioritized divisive rhetoric over democratic values, accepting the resulting turmoil.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

He kept saying that she had to pivot right to have any chance of winning the election.

They can never give any logic behind it, and they'll never learn it doesn't work.

But moderates will repeat that line as often as Charlie Brown will attempt a field goal, with the same results over and over again.

[–] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If the argument is that Harris should’ve run a more progressive campaign, is there any guarantee that she would get more progressive votes than she would have lost from the center/independents?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Is there any evidence she gained any voters from the right/center?

Because Republican numbers went up, and Dem numbers went down...

But as I've said elsewhere, it's not that more progressive campaign would have gotten more progressivesnto vote for her. It's that nonvoters turn out to vote for progressive campaigns.

Too often people ignore history and say those votes can only be gained from the right. It ignores that one of the biggest reasons people give for not voting for decades is "both parties are the same" and never "the parties are too different".

[–] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It makes sense. The campaign thought the fear of Trump alone would be enough to bring in the progressive voters and she would have to work on persuading the center. They were clearly wrong in hindsight.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

Why do you keep saying she didn't get progressives?

It's like if you repeat it enough it'll come try.

Every current indication is that the votes she lost were from the least likely voters. Election after election progressives have shown they'll show up and vote for the least terrible candidate.

The problem is with people who aren't politically engaged.

Despite the dangers of teump, Kamala was too conservative to excite them enough to get them to the polls.

Moving to the right costs more votes than it gains, there's no evidence it gains any votes in fact.

It just keeps wealthy donors happy

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