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How about Russian invading Crimea in 2014? Do you say that's somehow the US and NATO's fault too?
...and...
The first statement of yours is why the the second statement of yours doesn't work. You're missing the knowledge of Russian history and politics. Part of the Soviet/Russian way is to take over a territory, then deport all of its local population to other parts of Russia and replace the population with Russians. Not only was this done historically in Donetsk and Luhansk (Eastern Ukraine) prior to the breakup of the Soviet Union, but even after the Russian invasion in 2014 to these areas Russia went back to their old methods and move much of the Ukrainian population out. source
So if you had your way, the people voting would include large portions of recently settle Russians to the Ukrainian territories. Which way do you think Russians would vote on that?
So you’re arguing against self-determination for the inhabitants of the Donbas on the grounds that the territory historically belonged to Ukraine. (Which does seem to be the attitude of the Ukrainian government.)
I don’t think that’s a good argument against self-determination. And that’s how you end up with separatist violence.
So you're arguing that as long as an invader/occupier can displace or genocide the entire population that lives in a territory, there should be no barriers to an invading force claiming whatever land they want.
I see you also ignored my question about the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014.
I see why others gave you the "Russian Sympathizer" label. You say you're not a Russian asset. If you want to avoid that suspicion in the future, you should really avoid using lines like you're using now right out of the Russian propaganda playbook.
Well, if that’s your argument, then neither Ukraine nor Russia have a claim to Crimea. It should belong to the Crimean Tatars.
Didn't you earlier claim to not know anything about Russian culture? Now suddenly you're a scholar on the history of the Soviet Union and Russia? The sovereign country of Ukraine didn't deport Crimean Tartars in boxcars to Uzbekistan as Russia did 80 years ago, but I'm guessing you know that already. You've now made it abundantly clear your position of your support of today's Russia's actions and given many clues as to why you hold that support.
No need for me to continue interacting with you. до свидания!
I don’t know much about Russian culture.
I do, however, know a little bit about the Turkic culture of the Tatars.
I’ll assume that means “I love you”.
Thanks! I love you too, man. Despite our differences, we’re all just trying to do what we think is best for the world.