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[–] johker216@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The neat thing about government science programs, or any government program really, is that cost efficiency is not what drives results. If the best way to accomplish a goal is going to cost more money, then it costs more money. Thinking of the government as a business is as helpful as thinking about government budgets like a household budget. Governments maximize outcomes for their citizens, not shareholder value or profits.

And because you ended your post so unnecessarily rudely, so will I: stand up for your fellow man and encourage the de-privatization of space... and stop licking Elon's boots. We'll wait. ✌️

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nah Elon can fuck right off. He’s easily the world’s most colossal asshole.

How would you measure success? I’d measure it by number of objectives completed. Let’s take the commercial crew program as an example - how many successful crew launches has SpaceX completed vs. Boeing? How about vs. NASA? No American launch system compares to SpaceX in safety and capability yet. (Russia and China might be competitors, but there are political reasons why they can’t be chosen.)

I would absolutely LOVE to see more competition that obsoletes SpaceX. Maybe Blue Origin or RocketLab will step up? I don’t think SLS is really viable though.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I’d measure it by number of objectives completed.

How many commercial space flight programs landed on the moon? SpaceX was founded in 2002, over two decades ago. It had decades of public engineering data and knowledge to build on. In 1957, Sputnik made it to space, the first artificial satellite in the history of Earth. In 1969, humans landed on the moon.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think the goals and scale of these efforts aren’t comparable. Best to compare apples to apples.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

You're right, the goal of getting to the moon and scale of the effort was much bigger than putting satellites into space, even if they've put a lot of satellites into space. They had to invent crewed rockets. Nobody knew how to take an explosion and put a human person on top of it and surf that up to space, then people figured out how. Without that work, SpaceX (and friends) would not exist now.