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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that's the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

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[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Are those two things actually important?

Electric motors are a lot more efficient, and battery technology is quickly approaching the place where you can get the same range with an electric motor as with an ICE.

As for refuel rate, I spend no time waiting for my car to charge because it charges at home while I'm sleeping, so the refuel rate doesn't matter.

Plus the technology to battery swap is well in use for electric vehicles (see Nio, who have thousands of battery swap stations in China and some in Europe too). 3 mins and you have a full battery.

[–] Michal@programming.dev 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It matters to people who drive more during the day than their range allows. They don't want to wait 20 minutes for the car to charge every time they venture 300km out and back /s

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Why /s? Road trips are a thing, and you'd be hard pressed to find a combo restaurant/charging station that's along your path.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

restaurant/charging station combo

The people providing the charging infrastructure here haven't figured out this important point yet. Gas stations are a terrible place to put chargers, no one wants to stop at a gas station for fifteen minutes to an hour at a time. Charging stations need to be in places people will be stopping anyway, or at the very least places that provide something to do while waiting. Restaurants, shopping centres, tourist traps, whatever.

Here it's exacerbated by the fact that the fastest chargers we have only deliver about 60kW. Not even close to the 200+ some EVs need to get the fast charging times they advertise. But that 60kW would be perfectly fine if I could spend the time in a restaurant instead of standing around at a gas bar in the middle of nowhere.

Hell, even cheap (or free) "level 2" chargers outside restaurants and shopping malls would be a huge help.

[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I live in Denmark, here the chargers are placed where people park anyway. Grocery stores, parking lots, rest stops...

It's getting so easy to find a fast charger/resto combo, that we don't even plan it from home.

I've seen few 200+ watts chargers without looking for them, but the car is ready faster than I am anyway.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Road trips are a tiny fraction of all vehicle use, it's fine to relegate them to specialty vehicles.

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Quick Google says a great majority of Americans take road trips. Even though it's a tiny fraction of their driving, it's still a deciding factor for many when choosing a car. Not all people have the luxury of affording a second car just for road trips.

Public transportation would be good, but there's less flexibility to it. For example, just yesterday, on a return from a roadtrip, I got stomach sick and had to request frequent stops. That wouldn't fly on a train.

I'd love it if we had affordable and flexible public transport for getting all across the country, though.

[–] nemith@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I take road trips in my EV. It’s fine. You get to pee and walk the dog. The extra time isn’t much and it’s actually way more relaxing

[–] Starbuck@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s weird how defensive people get over their cannonball road trips. It’s great to take a few minutes on a break while taking a long trip.

[–] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Hell, my ICE car warns me when I’ve been driving for too long. Taking a break mid-trip isn’t isolated to EVs

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Unless you're taking road trips literally every other week you could just rent a gas vehicle when it's time for a road trip. Rather than make the decision of the car you're going to drive every single day based on something you only do maybe once a year.

It's why I don't own a pickup truck, I actually do haul cars, help people move and all that shit that people say is why they need a pickup truck but I just go to fucking U-Haul and rent either the Sprinter van or the pickup truck for 30 bucks plus mileage when I need one. And I do actually keep track of my financial records with a double Ledger Finance app I just went and looked and I'm still nowhere near the cost of a used pickup truck from all of that renting

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why do people still pretend it takes longer than 20 minutes to get a 50% charge increase?

[–] shield_gengar@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because it's currently easier to find a gas station than a charger that will do that performance. Now I'm willing to wait 8 hrs for 10%, but others certainly aren't.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You must live in a red state or the middle of nowhere. It's easy to find chargers everywhere I've been.

[–] shield_gengar@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago

Yes, my point. I have to charge my car at home because of charging stations are either far, or Tesla owners park in them to do shopping.

Saying I live somewhere shit doesn't disprove my point that gas is more readily available.