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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I will not vote for any politician that has supported genocide

This is admirable, in a normal democracy, the US has a broken democracy, someone abstaining from voting for the less bad option will directly benefit the worse option.

I am just trying to bring some realism into the discussion, in a democracy without FPTP your option would be fine, with FPTP a lack of vote for one option will directly benefit the other.

If you don't want Trump to manage this crisis, you gotta vote Harris.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I am aware if such tortured illogic, I already described it as wrong and simplistic.

Since you refuse to oppose genocide, just be plain. Say, "No I will not say that. I will vote for a genocide candidate."

You know. Just be honest.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'll be honest, if I were an American, I'd vote democrat, since they seem far more likely to abollish the electoral college and FPTP than the republicans.

You live in a fantasy world where you think that abstaining from voting will do anything other than support the Republicans.

I may not like either side very much, but I am a realist, and the reallity is that the Democrats are the lesser of two evils.

So far you have only complained, and not shown any even vaugley realistic alternative to mine, and don't say abstaining from voting, or voting for a third party, in todays America it will only benefit the Republicans.

But I do have to appologize, I am truly sorry for expecting a resonable debate with a user from lemmy.ml and especially on a lemmy.ml community, I am very sorry for wasting both of our time.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

I'll be honest, if I were an American, I'd vote democrat

Like I said, you should be honest and say, "I'd vote for a genocide candidate". I kept my response short and direct and you opted, for a second time, to ignore the point and self-indulge your poor logic on political power and electoralism.

Regarding the rest, You should not have expected a debate on your electoral reasoning as (1) I was already dismissive of it from the get-go, implying I am already aware of it, (2) you have at no point acknowledged this and are instead trying to, for lack of a better word, mansplain it, (3) you haven't asked for a debate nor have I indicated we were having one, and (4) you are not responding directly to what I have to say. What you are doing is not debate, but a bad faith engagement to provide apologetics for supporting genocide.

I would be happy to discuss your electoral reasoning if we could get past this basic hurdle of direct responses and good faith engagement.