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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Kamala will at least give some effort to negotiate.

I won't say she won't, but we really can't tell. So far she hasn't said anything that implies she'll do anything different from Biden.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Biden is privately pressuring Netanyahu to knock it off.

I mean, what is your plan? Vote for Trump instead?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm not American so to an extent I'm all mouth here, but Biden's private "pressure" is equivalent to not doing anything, because he's not pressuring Netanyahu; he's asking nicely.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

If he does too much out loud, the AIPAC lobby will back Trump even more forcefully and Jews backing the democrats may feel less motivated to turn out. Netanyahu already wants Trump to win. Democrats are trying to thread a needle. And, frankly, they need to. There is more than one issue in this campaign. Should we let America fall to a literal fascist, see abortion banned nationwide, or lose another seat on the Supreme Court for 20 years because Biden and Kamala didn’t throw a loud enough fit over Israel?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Democrats, and American Jews, overwhelmingly oppose Israeli support. It's a winning policy with the public that they refuse to take. That aside, they're now losing progressives and Muslims because they're not threading the needle; they're being Israel's lapdogs. Nothing about what Biden is doing is getting Harris election wins.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Would like to see the polling data on that.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Biden is a Zionist, it's ideological for him. It's one of his most unpopular positions. Breaking from Biden would be a major gain in voter turnout for Harris. AIPAC can't influence much when the election is less than a month away.

Throw a fit? This is about America's unconditional military support for an ongoing genocide. It's our weapons being used to eradicate an entire people right in front of our eyes. That's what our tax dollars are paying for right now. Nearly 20 billion dollars. Imagine if that went to improving the lives of American citizens instead of the daily bombing of starving children

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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

America fall to a literal fascist

After what it has been doing in Africa, Asia and South America it would just be karma.