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[–] UNY0N@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I totally agree with you. I just hate all of these "don't have kids" arguments from liberal people. It's not a viable solution, because the fascists and the idiots are gong to have kids. We need at least some sane people to continue on.

But the is all emotional and subjective, I'll admit that. I'm not really thinking about this topic with a clear head anymore.

[–] FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And it doesn't work, either. When they tell you we need half the population, they don't tell you how to reach that objective, when the objective is considered to be achieved.

They might recognize that some people will have to suffer, but they don't tell you who will suffer and how.

Malthusianism is yet another unclear ideology that offers vague promises but assured hardships from dilettantes that are spared enough to not feel the full weight of capitalism.

Nothing that stands rigorous scrutiny.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

That talking point died decades ago. We have a clear path to reducing our population. Well-off people with access to contraceptives don't have high birth rates. We can roll back the human birth rate to sub-replacement levels and over time, reduce it.

There will be a problem with increasing population in 2250 or so, but we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

The moral thing to do is to ensure that all humans have access to clean water and food, contraceptives, and comfortable lives. The population will naturally go down and we can stabilize it over time.

[–] FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

People are not not having kids because of contraceptives, but because they can't afford them anymore. It is a luxury older people have enjoyed, but that just isn't realistically achievable anymore.

Give them a more certain future, they will start having more babies again.

[–] logi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is a good read: https://ourworldindata.org/un-population-2024-revision

The new estimated global peak population is 10.3B in 2084. But now, looking at the break down by region, you may be talking about North America? That graph looks wildly 3rd world... If you edit the graph to show US and Nigeria's 2024 projections side by side it's samepicture.jpg