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LLMs can’t reason — they just crib reasoning-like steps from their training data (pivot-to-ai.com)

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[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 16 points 3 days ago (35 children)

A lot of people still don't, from what I can gather from some of the comments on "AI" topics. Especially the ones that skew the other way with its "AI" hysteria is often an invite from people who know fuck all about how the tech works. "Nudifier" or otherwise generative images or explicit chats with bots that portray real or underage people being the most common topics that attract emotionally loaded but highly uninformed demands and outrage. Frankly, the whole "AI" topic in the media is so massively overblown on both fronts, but I guess it is good for traffic and nuance is dead anyway.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (34 children)

Indeed, although every one of us who have seen a tech hype train once or twice expected nothing less.

PDAs? Quantum computing. Touch screens. Siri. Cortana. Micropayments. Apps. Synergy of desktop and mobile.

From the outset this went from “hey that’s kind of neat” to quite possibly toppling some giants of tech in a flash. Now all we have to do is wait for the boards to give huge payouts to the pinheads that drove this shitwagon in here and we can get back to doing cool things without some imaginary fantasy stapled on to it at the explicit instruction of marketing and channel sales.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (24 children)

Xml also used to be a tech hype for a bit.

And i still remember how media outlets hyped up second life, forgot about it and a few months later discovered it again and more hype started. It was fun.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Oh man, XML is such a funny hype. What if we took S-expressions and made them less human readable, harder to parse programmatically and with multiple ways to do the same thing! Do I encode something an an element with the key as a tag and the value as the content, or do I make it an attribute of a tag? Just look at the schema, which is yet more XML! Include this magic URL at the top of your document. Want to query something from the document? Here you go! No, that's not a base64-encoded private key nor a transcript of someone's editing session in vim, that's an XPath.

JSON has its issues but at least it's only the worst of some worlds. Want to make JSON unparsable anyway, for a laugh? Try YAML, the serialization format recommended by four out of five Nordic countries!

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago

No, that’s not a base64-encoded private key nor a transcript of someone’s editing session in vim, that’s an XPath.

lol

[–] self@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

JSON has its issues but at least it’s only the worst of some worlds. Want to make JSON unparsable anyway, for a laugh? Try YAML, the serialization format recommended by four out of five Nordic countries!

fucking

this take is so dangerously real I’m pretty sure uttering it at work will earn you a PIP and a fistfight in the parking lot with the lead data architect

you know, normal startup shit

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

Try YAML, the serialization format recommended by four out of five Nordic countries

yeah there are so many fucking crazy footguns in yaml

another I quite like:

❯ ipython -c 'import yaml; d = dict(); d["d"] = d; print(yaml.safe_dump(d))'
&id001
d: *id001

[–] JFranek@awful.systems 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

YAML is great if you need to make simple configuration files

... which is why no one uses it for things like Kubernetes /s

[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

To be "fair" kubernetes api only supports strongly validated/typed YAML-ish input..., it won't let you put non-string values in string locations. And in reality at the HTTP api layer—at least for kubectl—json is used. (Which also means you cant' do the more weird occult YAML things that JSON wouldn't let you)

You have to blame the deep-nestedness of k8s resources for unreadability...

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 2 points 14 hours ago

You have to blame the deep-nestedness of k8s resources for unreadability

this shit happens because FUCKING GO is a piece of shit (cf that post (from iirc fasterthanlime?) about how the go apis infect everything)

which should not be read as me supporting k8s, fwiw. fuck that noise too.

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