If you convince everyone who cares about Gaza not to vote, then the parties absolutely cannot afford to have a pro Gaza stance, because it’s electoral suicide - all the people who care about Gaza don’t vote and will the people who just hate on Muslims so.

I convince people to vote for anti-genocide parties like PSL and the Greens.

Not voting, voting for Shill Stein, it's all gonna have the same effect - republicans winning and the democrats chasing the only votes on the table because the left folks abstain or effectively abstain.

Not supporting Palestine is electoral suicide.

Not voting is electoral death. Voting third party is electoral death. On which planet is the republicans winning going to make the democrats move away from rightwing policies? None of them!

If the dems don’t want leftist votes and move to the right,

They are going to move to the right if they lose. We have one of the most leftwing candidates the democrats have fielded in decades, and if she loses, the party bosses are going to say "see, it's senseless chasing leftwing votes, they're too pure to muddy their hands in actually effecting the outcome - we have to more to where people who actually vote are. The only way to win is to have policies that actual voters like, not your theoretical voters who won't compromise - you'll never get their vote. Come back to the centre!" And of course we both know what the centre means in America.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not voting, voting for Shill Stein, it's all gonna have the same effect - republicans winning and the democrats chasing the only votes on the table because the left folks abstain or effectively abstain.

The dems can move left if they want leftist votes, and more people are moving to the left as Capitalism declines.

Not voting is electoral death. Voting third party is electoral death. On which planet is the republicans winning going to make the democrats move away from rightwing policies? None of them!

Electoralism is death.

They are going to move to the right if they lose. We have one of the most leftwing candidates the democrats have fielded in decades

Are you genuinely being serious, here? Do you know what Left-Wing means? LMAO

and if she loses, the party bosses are going to say "see, it's senseless chasing leftwing votes, they're too pure to muddy their hands in actually effecting the outcome - we have to more to where people who actually vote are. The only way to win is to have policies that actual voters like, not your theoretical voters who won't compromise - you'll never get their vote. Come back to the centre!" And of course we both know what the centre means in America.

Harris is campaigning to the RIGHT. She is moving RIGHT and losing voters over it.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you genuinely being serious, here? Do you know what Left-Wing means? LMAO

I didn't say she was left wing, I said she was the most left wing candidate the democrats have fielded in decades. If she loses, the democrats will give up on trying to move left even a tiny bit. If she wins, they can safely move further left. But every time they lose, they move right, to compromise wry the voters who actually vote.

You seem to be confusing Biden and Harris, which is understandable, but not particularly clear headed.

Electoralism is death.

Please stop pretending to care. You're an acceleratist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it'll make things better.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I didn't say she was left wing, I said she was the most left wing candidate the democrats have fielded in decades

This is still meaningless.

If she loses, the democrats will give up on trying to move left even a tiny bit. If she wins, they can safely move further left. But every time they lose, they move right, to compromise wry the voters who actually vote.

They will not move left. If they win, they realize they can keep moving right. Dems want to move right to serve their donors.

You seem to be confusing Biden and Harris, which is understandable, but not particularly clear headed.

Not at all. Care to elaborate?

Please stop pretending to care. You're an acceleratist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it'll make things better.

Please stop pretending to care. You're an accelerationist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it'll make things better.

Read theory. Join an org like FRSO or PSL.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Read theory. Join an org like FRSO or PSL.

Because Harris listens to what they say?! Your theories seem to result in you checking out of having any effect on the world. No thanks.

If your activism wasn't about to hand power to the literal fascists, it might have some appeal and I might think you were genuine or correct, but I can't tell the difference between republican trolls and tankies because they give the exact same advice - if you care, make sure you don't affect the outcome. What kind of shit advice is that?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Because Harris listens to what they say?! Your theories seem to result in you checking out of having any effect on the world. No thanks.

No, because those are revolutionary orgs. Your lack of theory has you firmly advocating for dead ends.

If your activism wasn't about to hand power to the literal fascists, it might have some appeal and I might think you were genuine or correct, but I can't tell the difference between republican trolls and tankies because they give the exact same advice - if you care, make sure you don't affect the outcome. What kind of shit advice is that?

The Dems are handing power to the fascists. They are committing genocide, Imperialism, failing to address the climate, refusing to help women, trans people, minority populations, and are accelerating towards World War 3.

Fascism will not be beaten by a Dem victory, it will still come. Fascism is Capitalism in decay, as long as Capitalism continues to decay fascism continues to rise. You are working towards fascism. Right-wingers like you would rather genocide continue than lift a finger to help Muslims.

Read theory and join an org.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fake leftwingers like you would rather the actual fascists took over America.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Dems are doing that themselves, just because you're a right-winger aiding fascism doesn't mean I'm a "fake leftwinger."

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're a fake left winger because you spend so much time and effort supporting the fascists to win control over America.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

You're a fake left winger because you spend so much time and effort supporting the fascists to win control over America.