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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

In any case, access to firearms is so restricted, it isn't a factor in suicide, yet Japan's suicide rate is comparable to the US and often exceeds it. So the pat answer that firearms is what makes suicide numbers high is bullshit.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago

It's non-zero, including handguns which would have to be illegally obtained outside of very narrow circumstances (police, military, maybe competitive target shooters?, etc.). I imagine it would be much higher if guns were more widely available. Here are statistics https://www.e-stat.go.jp/dbview?sid=0003411679

[–] Akrenion@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nobody argued that there are no other factors like social pressure. Obviously it is a problem when about half of the suicides involve a gun. Building hurdles and adding effort is needed to prevent deaths.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Addressing the actual problems, not outlawing rope, is what needs to be done to reduce suicide. If you think people that want to die are going to be slowed down by not having a gun, you haven't got a clue what suicidal depression is all about.

[–] Akrenion@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Or one could do both. Reduce access to killing tools and reasons to kill.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I'll look forward to your bill that outlaws gravity, razor blades, sleeping pills and rope immediately after you rid the world of guns.

Then when that fails, maybe we'll address the problem.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

(He also still likely can't get one. Unless he's literally a farmer or otherwise using it for work, or joining a shooting team, he can apply all he likes but that approval won't ever come. But yes it's not as simple as "guns," as Japan makes evident.)