What are you talking about? Research how many rights women and lgbt people lost when the GDR fell for an example of how wrong-headed this line of thinking is.

For those who want light reading, I highly recommend "Why women had better sex under socialism, and other arguments for economic independence"

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's nice, but the issue was whether they were part of the governing class. The rights the women were given in the GDR didn't include the right to pass new laws. As for choosing new representatives, look up the term "Wir gehen falten".

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

You're claiming that capitalism is better on having elected women officials? First off, no. GDR and west Germany had similar rates of women in leadership, and women had political organization through the democratic women's front.

Second off the framing is bad: I care less about smashing the glass ceiling than I care about not being hatecrimed in a rampantly misogynistic culture. I care about having the economic independence to leave abusive relationships, and to date for love and pleasure and not financial security.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

No, I'm saying western democracies are better because you got to vote.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You get to vote in socialist democracies like China, Cuba, USSR, etc. You've been told you can't. Who told you this?

If you don't believe me, look up the process for how the Cuban 2019 constitution and 2022 family code were drafted. Socialist democracy is more advanced and democratic than liberal democracies.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You get to vote in socialist democracies like China, Cuba, USSR, etc

Sure you do, as long as you vote for the candidate that the state prefers. Again, look up "Wir gehen falten".

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Sure you do, as long as you vote for the candidate that the state prefers.

That isn't how soviet style democracies work. For example, the municipal assemblies of Cuba have multiple candidates for each seat, which are not chosen by the party. Those councils then choose a national representative for their municipality, which is confirmed by a popular vote.

Again, look up “Wir gehen falten”.

Link to what you're referring to please, I didn't find anything interesting in the search.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

I remember an anecdote from an East German woman after the Berlin Wall fell saying West German women were just now beginning to advocate for what the East German women already had.

[–] sozesoze@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes these rights rights were lost, but this paints the GDR in a positive light regarding regarding civil rights when in reality people who showed a smidge of dissent were persecuted.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

when in reality people who showed a smidge of dissent were persecuted.

Look up how the stasi dealt with lgbt dissidents after being told to solve the issue and then come back here and say that with a straight face.

Dissidents for "hey we need to fix the problems of socialism" or dissidents for "we have to dissolve socialist democracy and let the capitalists pillage us" were treated very differently.

And the ones arguing for dissolving socialism got what they wanted, and the result is justification enough for their oppression tbh. Better to suppress right wing dissidents than let them oppress vast swathes of the population.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes these rights rights were lost, but this paints the GDR in a positive light regarding regarding civil rights

Because they were, especially compared to West Germany.