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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The people that lived in that region certainly didn't think of themselves as British or Ottomans, and neither did the British or the Ottomans. That's just colonialism.

This revisionist "Palestine isn't real" nonsense is indistinguishable from the justification for the Holocaust. Jews were seen as parasites without their own nation-state, rootless cosmopolitans and not really people, and so they had to be exterminated. Now the fascists are coming for Palestinians, and with the same fucking justifications as always.

Stop spewing revisionist fascist history. This was the lie that was used to justify the Nakba and it's the lie they're using now to justify turning Gaza into a death camp.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I should clarify. I never said that Palestine was/is not real. Palestine was a region made of primarily of Jews and Arabs. They thought of themselves as Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs. The Arabs of the region certainly considered themselves a part of the Pan-Arab identity.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Palestine has never existed as a state. It was supposed to be created for the first time alongside the state of Israel in 1948, but the Arabs rejected the UN transition plan and went to war against the newly formed Israel instead of accepting independence.

It sure sounded like you were saying Palestine is not real.

Let me clarify too - many of the people called "Arabs" in Palestine were descended from Jews that converted to Islam, as well other Levantine and Semitic peoples in the region. It was actually only under the Ottomans that there was this distinction created between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews, before that many Palestinians can trace their families back to their Jewish roots.

Unfortunately Zionists continued this racist program to further segregate their home into ethnostates instead of forming a single multi-ethnic, multi-religious democracy. Then they got a white European dominated UN to force a racist agreement onto the rest of Palestinians, which would give the best and most land to the Jews while kicking the rest of Palestinians out of their homes. Why the fuck would they agree to a colonial partition plan and let their land be taken from them?

There is no justification for ethnostates. Only a single multi-ethnic, multi-religious democracy from the river to the sea.