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[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com -3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yes you absolutely should. If you can effortlessly vote for the lesser evil in a way that doesn't take anything away from the other fight, just do it real quick. Any argument to the contrary is accelerationism.

If you are an accelerationist, then get bent, you're wrong.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Backseat cheerleading genociders, and telling other people to do so, is not helping. It makes you complicit and spreads a false and anemic idea of how political power works. You should be fighting them, not doing mental gymnastics for how you can still justify supporting genociders.

There is nothing strategic in what you are describing, it is actually self-defeating and this is why you are told this logic from on high.

As I originally said, join an org and fo actual work against genociders. Be part of the solution, not part of the genocide-excusing problem.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's no mental gymnastics to flipping that switch real quick, then fighting the real fight. It's you who's doing gymnastics trying to wrongly convince folks not to. The length of your post alone proves the gymnastics.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's no mental gymnastics

You're using a strained trolley problem analogy.

then fighting the real fight.

Anyone fighting the real fight has already been fighting and knows that your vote shaming for genociders is counterproductive.

It's you who's doing gymnastics trying to wrongly convince folks not to.

How am I wrong?

The length of your post alone proves the gymnastics.

My post was not long lol. Though most of it was me repeating myself because your response didn't address what I said. Same for this last response, too!

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are entirely missing pragmatism my friend. It's tragically important.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your approach is not pragmatic, it is just what you have been told to do by your masters. It does nothing but entrench the genocuders and ensure that they will never have to think about you electorally. It's a self-defeat.

I speak in terms of building leverage and organizations.

Though really, the issue here seems to be that you refuse to engage with what I say.

[–] LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

you: "Yes you absolutely should tacitly support genocide. If you don't tacitly support genocide then you're an accelerationist."

There are other candidates you can vote for that are vastly lesser evils than both the fascist democrats and fascist republicans; candidates who are not actively funding and perpetrating genocide but actually, get this, opposing it. If instead of voting for one of those, you still choose to support a party committing genocide, you aren't just an accelerationist and wrong, you're fucking despicable, evil.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

False. It's too late. We're a month away from the election. Vote Kamala, the lesser evil, then join the Bernie campaign or the DSA to make some real change over the next 4 years. Now is pragmatically not the time for such battles. Know when to fold em.

[–] LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Now is not the time to oppose genocide."

Your reprehensibility is confirmed. History will look upon people like you as on those who supported Nazis but pretended the concentration camps were just a bit much.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com -3 points 1 day ago

Bad faith actor here. Mark this username.