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Sometimes I’ll run into a baffling issue with a tech product — be it headphones, Google apps like maps or its search features, Apple products, Spotify, other apps, and so on — and when I look for solutions online I sometimes discover this has been an issue for years. Sometimes for many many years.

These tech companies are sometimes ENORMOUS. How is it that these issues persist? Why do some things end up being so inefficient, unintuitive, or clunky? Why do I catch myself saying “oh my dear fucking lord” under my breath so often when I use tech?

Are there no employees who check forums? Does the architecture become so huge and messy that something seemingly simple is actually super hard to fix? Do these companies not have teams that test this stuff?

Why is it so pervasive? And why does some of it seem to be ignored for literal years? Sometimes even a decade!

Is it all due to enshittification? Do they trap us in as users and then stop giving a shit? Or is there more to it than that?

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[–] masto@lemmy.masto.community 134 points 1 month ago (13 children)

I worked at Google for over a decade. The issue isn't that the engineers are unaware or unable. Time and time and time again there would be some new product or feature released for internal testing, it would be a complete disaster, bugs would be filed with tens of thousands of votes begging not to release it, and Memegen would go nuts. And all the feedback would be ignored and it would ship anyway.

Upper management just doesn't care. Reputational damage isn't something they understand. The company is run by professional management consultants whose main expertise is gaslighting. And the layers and layers of people in the middle who don't actually contribute any value have to constantly generate something to go into the constant cycle of performance reviews and promotion attempts, so they mess with everything, re-org, cancel projects, move teams around, duplicate work, compete with each other, and generally make life hell for everyone under them. It's surprising anything gets done at all, but what does moves at a snail's pace compared to the outside world. Not for lack of effort, the whole system is designed so you have to work 100 times harder than necessary and it feels like an accomplishment when you've spent a year adding a single checkbox to a UI.

I may have gone on a slight tangent there.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Reputational damage isn’t something they understand

Is this really the case? I feel like they might, but are deciding that its "worth the cost of business"

[–] AdNecrias 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd think since companies get big enough they can just buy the promising competition before it becomes a problem, I'd say it's a worthwhile cost to them

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, lack of competition is driving a lot of this. Fixing bugs doesn’t increase their stock value. It doesn’t make the line go up.

Launching products and bragging about profits makes the line go up (especially just before a quarter or monthly report is due).

AT&T/Bell Telephone was like this for years until they were finally broken up (nominally). When cellphones came out and provided nationwide competition, long distance suddenly became free.

We need to bust up google, Facebook, etc. They have nothing to push them to be better, just CEO egos and investors to please.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Facebook as a product is over. It's like 90% ads. I almost never see my friends posts anymore.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Its marketplace has been really popular in my area. Craigslist has all but dried up for may item types.

But they own Instagram as well don’t forget, and they have bought out many other competitors that we won’t ever get to experience.

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