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Our solar system mostly revolves around the sun on the same axis (apart from Pluto). Our galaxy does the same (along with other galaxies). Why? Gravity is linear?

Would it matter if we tried to escape the sun's gravity by going "up?"

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[–] Brewchin@lemmy.world 52 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

I asked this question many years ago on a Usenet group, and the answer was along the lines of what we're seeing is many millions of years after those orbits began, and that they all eventually flatten out due to the gravity of the other objects in orbit.

So you could have 2 objects at roughly the same orbital distance but perpendicular to one another (eg. one orbiting the star's poles and the other around it's equator), and over time the small amount of gravitational force they exert on one another will bring them roughly into the same plane.

Hopefully someone better versed in the topic can come along to explain it better than I can.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Keeping in mind the object with the larger mass will (over those millions of years) pull the smaller object closer in all dimensions/planes

It's still hard for me to get my head around, it would be great to see an animation showing this with perhaps 3 or 4 objects. It's especially hard for me to visualize the gas cloud around a star coelescing into a plane, even before the more solid objects form.

Is this because of rotational mechanics around the star?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

So, the star and planets all started as one big gas nebula, then the nebuka as a whole started spinning due to uneven distribution of matter within the cloud as it condensed. This spin increased over time and as the sun formed in the center, and planets clumped around in its orbit. The spin relative to each other, along with some interesting collisions between massive bodies, is why a few don't fit the general mold of spinning the same ways on the same plane. We may have even picked up a planet or two over time that was ejected from another solar system!

This video does an ok job of explaining the spinning and planet formation part. I'm sure thete are better ones out there.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sCkhEu3lYNc

[–] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It’s like how the earth bulges out at the equator.

The momentum pulls them out, gravity pulls it back. Similar thing at the solar and galactic planes.

They “bulge” relatively to the spin of the material over time and the clumps of material then forms planets along that general plane.

From the aboves video you can see this at 44seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCkhEu3lYNc&t=44s

And a relevant PBS Spacetime video

Why is the Earth Round and the Milky Way Flat? | Space Time | PBS Digital Studios

But the biggest reason is the way gasses form in space. As noted in the above video at the 8:45 mark. Gasses aren’t able to fall back into the center along their axis of spin because of their momentum. But the gassed above and below the plane can move towards the gathering material there by gravity and so it flattens out.

https://youtu.be/Aj6Kc1mvsdo?t=8m45s

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