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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean Ukraine "victory" plan is, depending on version, either: a) The same as usual, that is unconditional surrender of Russia, which obviously won't happen; b) Ostensibly the same but aimed at excusing themselves before the west from starting the actual peace negotiations; c) Manufacturing conditions for open NATO intervention

None of those is something that would impress US, but they will likely go with a) because collapse right now would be a political bomb and after elections it would be something entirely different regardless of who wins (like Afghanistan proven, nobody in US even remember that rout now).

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

It's really c at this point. The AFU is collapsing all across the front now, and even Zelensky is now admitting that Ukraine will lose in short order unless NATO puts boots on the ground.