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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

While I have the utmost sympathy for her, if a postal worker is picking and choosing what mail is to be delivered the entire concept of the post office becomes moot.

[–] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I agree in that it should be a democratically-accountable panel that prevents hate speech from being disseminated through the mail, rather than an individual, but that doesn't make this individual's actions wrong.

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I think your panel concept sounds like a horrible idea. Have the state look through everyone's mail and decide if they want to allow your mail through or not? I'm sure that would definitely only work well and wouldn't be used against the people you designed it to protect.

[–] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Private correspondence is different from a hate organization disseminating mass flyers. I would not be in favor of censoring private correspondence.

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

The thing you should do is crush that hate organization, not screen every flyer that goes through the mail

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah. I have very strong political, moral, and ethical opinions.

I'm also a government employee, and those opinions disappear when I'm performing my duties. I enforce rules I find idiotic all the damn time and let people get away with bullshit that should be illegal. They're not my rules.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure you have very strong political, moral, and ethical opinions

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

We're an ordered society. We elect leaders who adopt laws and ordinances. Who the hell am I to throw that out the window and instead tell people they have to follow my will.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Motherfucker I work in development. Telling someone they can't have their pool equipment pad in the side setback or that front-yard fences have to be 80% transparent isn't exactly sending them to the gas chamber.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

so you're saying you're not faced with the choice handing out hundreds of fliers spreading vile hate speech incentivising violence against trans people

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Government employees providing government services have to provide them to everyone. It isn't a private business where you can just refuse service because you don't like someone or their message.

What if the postal worker thinks abortion is murder. Should they be allowed to refuse to deliver mail for Planned Parenthood or the ACLU?

If a county clerk is opposed to homosexuality should they be allowed to refuse to issue a marriage license to a gay couple?

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago

Both these examples are predicated on these people having delusions about reality

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 11 points 4 days ago

Yep. This is part of the "Do the job" deal.

Because I'm sure we'll be up in arms if a religious Postal worker elected to not deliver mail for religious reasons.