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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 42 points 2 months ago (35 children)

Was that the original title? Because that's not a revolver.

Edit: Ah the latter part is the subtitle, and it does say "revolver." Good job, "journalist."

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 months ago (21 children)

In this case it is an important distinction. A revolver, if not cocked, requires a strong pull of the trigger to engage that double action system. A cocked revolver's hammer is just itching to go off, which in this situation is very bad.

The photo shows what I believe is a Glock 17 pistol. The Glock does not have manual safety mechanism, which means that if there is a round in the chamber, that gun is ready to shoot. Although the Glock has a single action system that requires a full pull of the trigger before it shoots, it is a relatively soft pull (I own two), especially when compared to a double action revolver.

The photo shows the officer exercising trigger discipline by keeping his finger off the trigger, but that is where the discipline ends. You NEVER point a gun at something you are not willing to kill. Killing a prone, restrained, unarmed man is murder, plus the ricochet off the ground would likely hit another cop on that dog pile. That stupid son of a removed would have killed at least one person and spent the rest of his life in prison. Absolute gross negligence.

If I was his commander, I would restrict him to desk duty for at least a year (effectively blocking him from overtime pay) and force him to take and pass a third-party weapons safety program before he's allowed to carry a weapon again.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

The Glock does not have manual safety mechanism, which means that if there is a round in the chamber, that gun is ready to shoot.

How the fuck is this legal? Seems like requiring a manual safety mechanism on all firearms is a no-brainer.

Any of the folks who place more value in their ability to end another person's life on a split second than the safety of their own children want to chime in and explain this one to me?

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago

How the fuck is this legal?

Glock, an Austrian company, uses a variety of common sense safeties that are automatic in nature.

With a manual safety the user has to remember to engage / dis-engage it as appropriate. This means a weapon can be left in an unsecured state simply because the user forgot (or elected not too) engage the manual safety. Conversely if the user forgets to disengage the manual safety the weapon will not fire when they need it too, which makes an awful lot of sense when you know that Glock designed these weapons for Law Enforcement.

To work around the weaknesses of a Manual Safety Glock designed what it calls its "Safe Action System" which you can read about here.. In a nutshell a Glock will not fire unless the trigger is intentionally pulled in the correct way.

Other pistol manufacturers will have some, or all, of those feature and may have other things such as "Grip Safeties" where you have to be holding the pistol both correctly and tightly enough before it can discharge.

There's quite a variety of automatic safeties in use in the pistol world. If you are interested you can read about them here.

On balance these kinds of automatic safeties are at least as effective as a manual safety and there are valid arguments with empirical evidence showing that they can be safer.

Any of the folks who place more value in their ability to end another person’s life on a split second than the safety of their own children want to chime in and explain this one to me?

Could you explain why you are using such inflammatory language? NO safety can or is meant to make a loaded firearm safe from a child. It's arguably easier for a child to flip the selector lever on a manual safety than it is for one to grip a firearm a specific way or pull its trigger in a specific way (or both).

Loaded weapons, regardless of their type(s) of safety mechanism, should not be left where they can be handled by children.

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