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More than a dozen former Ronald Reagan staff members have joined dozens of other Republican figures endorsing the Democratic nominee and vice-president, Kamala Harris, saying their support was “less about supporting the Democratic party and more about our resounding support for democracy”.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (15 children)

Are they? The campaign is not speaking in support of the Reagan administration. Harris is supported by the former administration over a corrupt and narcissistic megalomaniac.

Personally, I don’t see this as anything other than validation that Trump is that bad.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If you get endorsed by Hitler it reflects pretty badly on you.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Putin endorsed Biden, and now Harris. Do you honestly think that he wants Democrats in charge during his invasion of Ukraine? Politics is a game.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Right, his endorsement doesn't help. That's my point? Liberals shouldn't be cheering because Reaganites endorsed Harris.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Who said Liberals were cheering? This is aimed at disenfranchised conservatives.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Do you think conservatives read The Guardian? This is for internal consumption, to make liberals think "wow even Reaganites are on our side, we must be doing something right!"

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee -2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

The Guardian is a newspaper. They are just covering the news.

Other outlets are covering this also, including conservative ones.

You are way too eager to find a conspiracy here... I promise you, this British newspaper isn't run by and for American Democrats.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

no one is saying that is, but what queermunist is doing that you are failing to do is annilise the bias of the source, and consider the reasons for why they wrote something and the way they wrote it ... this is basic media literacy

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

There's no conspiracy? This is just liberals telling other liberals about the "good news"

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

So you’re critical of The Guardian then? Do you believe they should have left that story out based on their reader demographic?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No? I'm critical of Harris accepting the endorsement of ghouls.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

As far as I can tell, The Harris/Walz campaign hasn't officially responded to this endorsement. Are you getting mad about stuff that hasn't even happened?

Believe it or not, the Harris/Walz campaign doesn't orchestrate endorsements. Anyone can endorse a candidate with or without that candidate's knowledge, permission, or acknowledgement.

Harris may be getting the endorsement of old-school/moderate Republicans, but Trump has the endorsement of extremist/far-right Republicans and Neo-Nazis.

If you can't pick a side here, that's entirely your own moral failure.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

both sides are Fasistic, and engage in class colaberation. If I look at the endorsements for haris coming from the right, there are people I would not want to even agree on what pizza topping is best with, let alone who should run a country.

Second your right, anyone can, however the canidates can also reject their endorsement, and tell them to shove it where the sun don't shine, they have not done that, and that is damning.

3rd ... REAGON AND CHENEY ARE MODERATE NOW... do you not see how abserd you are talking? they are not moderates

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

Her silence is damning.

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[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

The liberals cheering is what told me the liberals where cheering. I mean ... Haris even gloated that Ronald Reagon himself would vote for her.

as for disenfranchised conservitives, this is a group that does not exist, like both halvs of the uniparty pander to the conservitive.

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"disenfranchised conservatives" he says

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[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's a good question, but I think Putin's being honest. Trump is more likely to try to negotiate a peace deal, but if that goes badly, he's also much more likely to order some off-the-wall shit like giving Ukraine ICBMs and permission to use them. Remember this was the guy who was presented with a range of options to retaliate against Iranian sabre-rattling, and for seemingly no reason chose the most extreme, drone striking their top general! There's lots of reason to not want Trump in charge.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

~~What makes you think Trump would negotiate peace? He’s already said Israel should finish the job and stop recording their atrocities. He also repealed restrictions on Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory. Netanyahu was so grateful, he named a settlement after Trump in Golan Heights.~~

Accidental and unrelated reply. My mistake.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago (14 children)

I'm not saying he's a dove or anything, but he doesn't really give a shit about NATO therefore isn't terribly invested in protecting the Zelensky regime, and he has been consistent about saying the war should be ended so Ukrainians survive, [which, to be clear, I doubt he personally cares about, but it's his platform] and even said this when he was pressed with the insanely unprofessional and ridiculous bait question "Do you want Ukraine to win?" at the debate.

Anyway, it's no guarantee, he's a very unstable and erratic guy, but I think he sees the war as a waste of money and would prefer friendlier relations with Russia.

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[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean I am not saying that his endorsement is a good sign, however I see no reason not to trust his endorsement on face value. It seems to be more work and more conspericy boarding to say that this is some 7d chess to get trump back when there are reasons he would want a haris win

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are you aware that the Republicans in Congress refused to vote in favor of Ukraine aid? Democrats had to add Israel to the bill to get them to agree.

Putin wants Trump. It’s not a question which party is on his side.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You keep talking domestic policy, but you have not given a reason on why Putin cannot be trusted on his endorsement. You are also missing the point that trump is a less stable commander in cheif, and may oppose Russian intrests elsewhere not just ukraine

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I read it as the neoliberal warhawks are enthusiastic about a more level-headed maintainer of Empire who has promised the most lethal military in the world and to always support Israel.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Believe it or not, the President does more than determine support for Israel.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yep, but the part that specifically draws the Reaganite fascists to Kamala is her promise to maintain the most lethal military in the world. Forever wars and endless profits for the MIC, endless support for Imperialism.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world -5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

And Trump has already proven to support Israel’s eradication of Palestinians and expansion into Gaza and the West Bank. Israel is not the point of comparison between them, although Trump is worse for Palestinians.

More money in the hands of the lower and middle classes stimulates the economy and drives stock prices. The middle class is considered the most wasteful class. That consumption drives consumerism, which increases stock value.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago (4 children)

And Trump has already proven to support Israel’s eradication of Palestinians and expansion into Gaza and the West Bank. Israel is not the point of comparison between them. Trump is worse for Palestinians.

Trump is the same as Harris with respect to genocide. He can't just buy bombs on his personal card and ship them via DHL, this is a bipartisan effort because the basis is economic, not moral.

More money in the hands of the lower and middle classes stimulates the economy and drives stock prices. The middle class is considered the most wasteful class. That consumption drives consumerism.

No idea why you're bringing this up.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Having read about Hitler's meeting with the military heads that line was bonechilling when she said it

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 days ago

over a corrupt and narcissistic megalomaniac.

boy I hate to tell you this, but you're not escaping that by voting for the democrats. the establishment parties are personifications of all of the worst vices and cruelties of the imperialist capitalist class of war mongers, racketeers, and liars which keep the globe under their boot with 800+ bipartisan military bases and CIA blacksite torture camps, and bipartisan Hunger Plans and bipartisan competing to see who can do more genocide faster.

Biden's such a corrupt narcissistic megalomaniac he wouldn't even step down while his brain was visibly leaking from his ears his own party including the speaker of the house (also being one of the most corrupt, narcissistic megalomaniacs in congress) was demanding he do so. He only did when the billionaire imperialists that finance the democrats (and who they work for, who both parties work for) pulled their funding.

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