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How did this one go from leftists in the early 2000's who thought Bush and Cheney ignored intelligence to let it happen to unhinged conspiratorial right wingers spouting the same bullshit. Leftists back then blamed it on warmongering and letting it happen so Bush could use the excuse to become a deeply loved "war President" (It worked... for a while) and Cheney could make a mint with no-bid contracts for Halliburton to rebuild Iraq. That... at least made some sort of sense. What's the right-wing excuse for it being an inside job?
It's like right-wingers decided to exploit valid distrust in the news media as stenographers for the government to make everyone crazy. The thing that's crazy about it working is the distrust was sewn by them to begin with and then they turned around to exploit that same distrust. How do people not see that??
I never got the impression that 9/11 conspiracy theories were from leftists, though I could be wrong. I thought it was from everywhere.
I had every right winger freaking out that Bush and Cheney were beyond reproach and nothing could be further from the truth at the time. I lived in Louisiana and I learned to just shut the fuck up about it because people fucking loved Bush more than their own god damned families. Honestly, the environment wasn't that much different from what we're dealing with in terms of Trump.
Now it's fucking gospel for half of the right wing. I don't get it.
Although to be fair, Alex Jones was promoting that stuff at the time, and he's been the throughline in the last 20 years. But people also assumed he was a leftist back then, too. The people showing me his Prison Planet videos in 2004-2005 that crowed that Bush was building prison camps were all super leftist people.
Actually, to be clear, this guy is the first person who ever showed me Alex Jones/Prison Planet:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whatever-happened-to-pizza-at-mcdonalds/id1152856686
https://open.spotify.com/show/7pbtiktDvlEAyFHT7KR98Y
Brian Thompson of the Whatever Happened to Pizza at McDonald's podcast. He was my neighbor and coworker at a local news station. He almost got fired because he was working the chyron and had jokingly changed it from "Donald Rumsfeld - Secretary of Defense" to "Donald Rumsfeld - War Criminal" and then accidentally put the joke on the air. Generally people who considered the Bush admin guilty of war crimes weren't right wingers.
Ok you're moving around a lot. This was about 9/11 conspiracies. Not love of Bush, not prison camps, not war crimes, (a lot of all that is the some people playing into the "you're either with us or against us"). Those are all different than 9/11 conspiracies.
I brought up Jones because he was one of the main purveyors of 9/11 conspiracy theories as well as other conspiracy theories.
Love of Bush means you won't buy the conspiracy, because you think Bush is a hero and wouldn't do any such thing. That was the majority of conservatives at the time. Bush was so fucking popular he won the popular vote in 2004, something most other modern Republican Presidents have failed to do, relying on Electoral College wins. Despite the release of Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 in May 2004, a full 5 months before the election. (Michael Moore is traditionally leftist...)
Believing the Bush administration committed war crimes was absolutely tied to believing that we had entered unjust wars over false pretenses.
Love of Bush means some won't buy the conspiracy. That does not rule out that 9/11 conspiracy theories could come from the right. They are not a harmonious group.
Just like entering the wars on WMD is different than 9/11 conspiracies.
You're really all over the map, so I think I'm out.
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Does this sound like a right wing conspiracy theorist to you? https://youtu.be/NWxISwEBU0U
The exact same way that both the left and the right agree that Epstein didn't kill himself, except one side thinks the AG of the then-current President who oversaw the DoJ and had connections to Epstein was responsible, and the other side thinks the presidential candidate that lost to Trump and retired from politics and has zero connections to the administration of the prison did it.
Funny, I just mentioned PNAC in another post earlier today.
I am never going to not believe bush/Cheney/runsfeld were in some part aware of/responsible for what happened.
Oh, same. There was boatloads of evidence that they just sort of... let it happen so they could exploit the situation. PNAC outlined that they needed "another Pearl Harbor." They were honestly just as open as Project 2025 but back then no one took it as seriously as that even though they amount to the same thing.
That's why it's so fucked that it has become a right wing conspiracy...
The problem with conspiracy theories is that even the ones grounded in reality and reasonable evidence attract the sort of people easily drawn into conspiracy theories as well as changing some people into them. And those people eventually find their way into the rabbit hole that leads towards deciding that problems must be caused by someone, and that someone must be those who are different and ends with accusing the Jews and gays of intentionally masterminding the destruction of society.