Right, I'm sorry, silly me, I forgot that people outside of North America (and maybe Europe and a few more countries) don't matter (I'm not sure if we can even call them people).

Ukraine will continue to be supported by the west

Yeah, this one is unfortunately true, the west will continue holding Ukrainians hostage in the mass prison that is Ukraine now and kidnapping them from the streets to fight their proxy war. I can only hope that this won't last much longer :(

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ukrainians don't want to be subjugated by Russia though. Once they want to stop, it stops. Russia could've of course not started the whole thing and could stop it at any time without it being an existential threat to them.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ukrainians don't want to be subjugated by Russia though.

Don't want to have Zelensky's concentration camps either.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't know what that is, I was just saying that that's why they're still fighting the invader. Can't stop fighting without Russia subjugating them.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't know what that is

Well, you can listen (or rather read English subtitles) here about what it is: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7AXSB_WnYV0

I was just saying that that's why they're still fighting the invader. Can't

Who are they? The people that are mass imprisoned, either trying to escape the country or afraid leaving their homes because they are afraid of being kidnapped by ТЦК?? They are not fucking fighting, they are being forced to to the front lines by Zelensky's regime.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't show English as available subtitles for me. Would also be helpful to know who these guys are and whatnot.

Who are they?

Ukrainians in general.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't show English as available subtitles for me.

At least on the PC version you should be able to turn on auto-generated ones.

Would also be helpful to know who these guys are and whatnot.

Svitan, ex Colonel of AFU. He is extremely pro-Ukrainian in general, but even he admits that current government is anti-Ukrainian, and turned Pokrovsk into a concentration camp.

Ukrainians in general.

Ukrainians (at least those whom Zelensky's regime considers good cannon fodder) are imprisoned in Ukraine, and are kidnapped from the streets by ТЦК ("recruitment officers"). They don't want to fight.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It just shows me auto-generated Russian subtitles

Ukrainians (at least those whom Zelensky's regime considers good cannon fodder) are imprisoned in Ukraine, and are kidnapped from the streets by ТЦК ("recruitment officers"). They don't want to fight.

Seems like they still want to fight. It'd be over pretty quickly if they didn't.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It just shows me auto-generated Russian subtitles

Turn on auto-translate.

Seems like they still want to fight.

People are literally trying to escape the country by rivers/mountains, with some dying there, they don't want to fight.
People are afraid from leaving their homes, because they might be sent to the meatgrinder, they don't want to fight.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

I'm trying on mobile. It only shows auto-translate for Russian for whatever reason. If there's some English language source they mention or someone else reported it, it'd be happy to take a look.

People are literally trying to escape the country by rivers/mountains, with some dying there, they don't want to fight.
People are afraid from leaving their homes, because they might be sent to the meatgrinder, they don't want to fight.

You mean people dodging the draft? I think you'll always have that. War is people killing each other, what sane person wants to do that to begin with. Hell during Winter War people were dodging the draft in Finland. It doesn't really tell much about the extent to how many support the war and how many want it to continue. So far, the resolve is there, evident in their ability to continue. If there's something to show for the numbers willing to give up, it'd be happy to take a look at that too. But some valuing their own life over fighting to defend their country, yeah that's expected.