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[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

He’s really not. No one voting for him will care, and everyone voting against him already knows.

The undecided voters only actually give a shit about things that matter to them personally, and his age and capacity are not The economy or taxes or healthcare or immigration, or whatever else it is those extraordinarily stupid people are still confused about.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A lot of people don't pay much attention until shortly before the election.

His age and mental capacity can weigh on folks when he can't give a decent explanation of what he's going to do on a particular topic.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 5 points 2 months ago

Which is why we need to have another debate closer to the election. So those people might actually see it and the fact that he is completely senile and unable to form a coherent sentence.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but for fewer than you think, and in not enough places to matter.

But you’re technically correct

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Even if it's small, that still can matter in some elctions. Small changes in tight states can make a difference. Mind you in 2000, the presidental election came down to just 537 votes in florida

Elections can be and often are won on the margins

Edit: or also provide more state wins to make republicans trying to overide state results much more difficult

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Mind you in 2000, the presidental election came down to just 537 votes in florida

And that this led to the Supreme Court deciding who would be president instead of the voters. They didn't finish recounting. How do we think it would go for us if the Supreme Court decided who would be our next president this year?

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

As a discarded Florida voter in that election, thank you for speaking up on my behalf. And I still feel pretty shitty about that.

Gore absolutely should’ve won— those hanging chads be damned!

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

The Brooks Brothers riot stopped the counting. Gore would have won. Thousands of votes were thrown out because they were black votes and some voters both punched their votes for Gore and wrote Gore's name in. The riot was planned so that the Extreme Court would give Bush the election.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Alternatively, it could also provide small margins in additional states to make trickier harder. For instance a small with in north carolina and georgia would make republican plots against the elctions results more difficult

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but only if they actually get counted. The problem in 2000 is that they didn't. The count was close and the Supreme Court decided to end counting early. We really need this election to be not down to such small numbers or our current Supreme Court will fuck us.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

My point is less that it should come down to that, and more that any smaller gain can matter if things do

If you want to do something that it well known to increase turnout more significantly, I highly recommend volunteering for the campaign. Canavassing, for instance, can increase turnout by upwards of ~7-10% (or more or slightly less depending on the data you look at)

Here's one site with both in person and virtual places listed

If nothing else, it can help turn the anxiety down a bit by taking action

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I am disabled and can't really canvas, but I donate.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Fair enough, but worth mentioning that canvassing is not the only effective way to volunteer. There's also text banking, phone banking, and post card writing for instance (can find those places on the earlier linked site)

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Those who paid any attention during his presidency know it doesn’t matter what he says about anything anyway. His “policies” blow with the wind, can turn on a dime, and are for sale to the highest bidder.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A fair-sized chunk of this fall's electorate was too young to vote in 2016, and doesn't have a real sense of how awful he is, or how much has deteriorated over the past few years.

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would surmise young people voting for Trump are primarily from parents who are voting for Trump likely with very little crossover.

He may dupe a few rubes, but doubtful they are educated voters following the issues if they pull the lever for him imo.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

You’re right, but not for the reasons you think. His policies do matter and do have a tremendous effect, but his most dangerous policies never came to pass only because of the people he surrounded himself with during his last administration. They managed to stop the worst things from happening then. That won’t be true this time around, and only those who are already voting against him know that. The idiots who would vote for him this time didn’t care about the last time and don’t know any better this time either. All they care about is voting for the red team no matter what, and they don’t care about the cost.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If she puts him over her knee and gives him the spanking he deserves there is some slight chance that the strongman delusion will weaken and people will see him for the whiny toddler that most people see.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

I think people can care if it's showcased well, and I think he's dumb and old enough to give Kamala the opening.

He will likely blame the host and storm out.