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Update Lemmy.ml's Code of Conduct (nrsk.no)
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Due to the recent ban of a wolfballs.com-user for "Bigotry and racism on his main account on Wolfball." it is requested that Lemmy.ml updates the Code of Conduct to reflect actual moderation. Please consider adding that Lemmy.ml will ban users for comments made with other accounts on other instances.

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[–] TheConquestOfBed@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out."

And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed

Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them."

And i was like, ohok and he continues.

"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.

And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.

And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people."

And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all.

https://nitter.ca/IamRageSparkle/status/1280892535024619522#m

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If I understand your story right, we should proactively ban people because their friends might violate rules in the future? It sounds similar to the story of Minority Report, but that was supposed to be a dystopia, not an inspiration to implement irl.

[–] TheConquestOfBed@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're the wolfballs admin, what's not to get? Don't be a lib.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So you ran out of arguments and try to insult me instead?

[–] TheConquestOfBed@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I don't need to argue anything. Fuck fascists. If you're an ML like you've stated in the past, you know why and don't need me to explain to you why fascism is unacceptable and how they leverage liberal discourse to gain footing.

If you enable fascists to speak then what do you even stand for?

To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism.

To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type.

I don't claim to be unbiased. I don't claim to be fair. Because being unbiased and fair is for people who don't have to worry about their own survival. LGBT people have already learned this lesson when we've been hunted down in the past. You gotta nip this shit in the bud before it takes root.

If you make this place a safe haven for these people, then it's not safe for me or people like me, and I will treat it like radioactive waste.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You are proposing to change lemmy.ml rules so that users can be banned for activity on other sites. Your only argument for this rule change seems to be the claim that wolfballs.com is fascist. You havent shown any evidence to support this claim, and its far from obvious when browsing the site. So I dont see any justification for such a rule change.

[–] seanchai@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You keep ignoring that he is on here every time someone is about to get banned for bigotry offering a safe space on wolfballs. You let the comment section of your Leftist website be a recruiting grounds for racists and homophobes. And you keep saying "can't police his activity on another site," but like....how is posting links and promoting a bigoted website not a violation of lemmy.ml's rules?

[–] TheConquestOfBed@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

For fucking racism, yes. Its better than what they deserve to be honest: a gun to the head.