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Threads deepens its ties to the open social web, aka the ‘fediverse’ (techcrunch.com)
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"Threads is deepening its ties to the fediverse, also known as the open social web, which powers services like X alternative Mastodon, Pixelfed, PeerTube, Flipboard and other apps. On Wednesday, Meta announced that users on Threads will be able to see fediverse replies on other posts besides their own. In addition, posts that originated through the Threads API, like those created via third-party apps and scheduling services, will now be syndicated to the fediverse. The latter had previously been announced via an in-app message informing users that API posts would be shared to the fediverse starting on August 28."

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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

A is defederated from Threads, but federates with B. And B federates with Threads. Now Meta can cash out on your data via B.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Now Meta can cash out on your data via B.

Everything we're posting is public, anyone can cash in on it regardless of who you defederate.

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Everyone can break into my house regardless of having a key or not. I still don't have my key delivered to them.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 2 months ago

Everyone can break into the park you visit and talk to people at

[–] copygirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don't think that's how it works and it would likely not be legal. By explicitly blocking Threads, you make a big statement about not wanting your instance's posts to show up there. Also from a technical standpoint, I don't think a "middle-man" instance will push posts from another instance to a third one. You'd have to explicitly scrape data that's not available via the API. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[–] Kraiden@kbin.earth 5 points 2 months ago

The fediverse is too new and niche to say that with certainty.

The legality is likely untested and certainly not enforced by pubspec yet.

I don't know enough to speak to the technicalities with certainty, but my surface level understanding is that that is exactly how it works, and it is one of the known flaws of the fediverse as it currently exists.

You might be making a statement, but server B is just a node and, frankly, doesn't care. If you federate with them, you federate with everyone they federate with as well.

It's uncomfortably like an STD in that regard.

[–] flancian@social.coop 4 points 2 months ago

@copygirl @Dirk yes, I also get the feeling this would not work in a compliant setup but it seems like a good idea to test this in e.g. a federation test suite.

Maybe @evanprodromou would know how this should work, or would know of someone who might be testing this kind of scenario.

[–] heluecht@pirati.ca 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

@flancian @Dirk Threads has about 200 million monthly users, 33 million daily users. The fediverse has just under 1 million monthly users. Do you really think that 0.5% has any relevance to Meta?

Also: What data do you think Meta will be able to use - and for what? They can't use this data to serve you ads, simply because they don't know you. They can't track you around the web because you don't have a Meta account.

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Threads has about 200 million monthly users, 33 million daily users. The fediverse has just under 1 million monthly users. Do you really think that 0.5% has any relevance to Meta?

Do you really think they would care about those users when they extend and extinguish the Fediverse?

[–] heluecht@pirati.ca -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@Dirk How should they achieve it? The Fediverse contains of a lot of different systems that offer so much more than Threads could ever do.

[–] bilb@lem.monster 1 points 2 months ago

Nobody can ever explain how EEE could work in this scenario. They just parrot it and stop thinking.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 0 points 2 months ago

The 0.5% on fedi are more likely to be the technical users that actually produce usable content.

How many thread users are bots or passive consumers? They may be good for serving ads to, but they're not so food at retaining and attracting users