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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago (23 children)

As a theory, sure. I just have yet to see it expressed in any functional way that didn't devolve into a shit show. See: Russia, etc.,

I think it's telling that so many wish for a return to communism but still defend Putin's atrocities. :|

[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Russia devolved into capitalism. Funding a military is incredibly expensive and necessary when a communist country wants to exist in a world with the United States. This creates a militant economy that must be centrally governed to coordinate this military might. True democratic socialism is impossible as long as the United States exists as an imperialist force.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (8 children)

True democratic socialism is impossible as long as the United States exists as an imperialist force.

1, That's silly, there's tons of democratic socialist countries that are doing just fine - today! Bolivia, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Canada, the Netherlands, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand - think the US fucks with their way of governing?

2, the USSR was never a type of democratic socialism. Period. They literally called it 'soviet democracy' distinctly, and it meant something WILDLY different that the kinds of democratic socialism we see in the above listed countries.

Your premise is faulty, built upon an imagined soviet union that did not practice the tenants you're endorsing.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

1, That’s silly, there’s tons of democratic socialist countries that are doing just fine - today! Bolivia, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Canada, the Netherlands, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand - think the US fucks with their way of governing?

All of these countries are free market economies, though. If you classify a country that has public programs as socialist, then USA is a socialist country.

Also, just as a detail, Switzerland is probably one of the most capitalistic countries in the world. They have nearly a flat tax rate, very small amounts of corporate / capital gains taxation and a health care system that is nearly privatized. And it's all working pretty damned well for them.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Canada

Ok, how did Canada managed to get on this list? And Switszerland?

They literally called it 'soviet democracy'

Parlamentary democracy is real thing. Usually it is called parlamentary republic. Nothing special, most of Europe works this way.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

soviet democracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_democracy

Parlamentary democracy is real thing.

yeah, it is, and it's not what the soviets were doing.

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[–] rwtwm@feddit.uk 13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

My concern with this line of argument is that it bundles consequences from a system of government up with the consequences of trade embargoes and other hostile actions from capitalist economies. That doesn't make the actions of the dictators in those countries justifiable in any way, but might have precipitated conditions that made them more likely.

How would communist nations have fared if the US had taken a 'live and let live' approach to them? The approach during the cold war was that they couldn't be allowed to succeed. That led to the sort of standards of living where dictatorship tends to thrive. Note this isn't unique to communist countries. Look at the Republican party in the US, now that Neoliberalism is failing.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (33 children)

It also ignores that Socialism in AES states has generally resulted in mass reductions in poverty, increases in literacy, education, home ownership, and life expectancy.

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[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

See: Russia, etc.,

Last time I checked sheikh-esque palaces and yachts are something that is not communism. Same goes for Putin's oligarchs.

I think it's telling that so many wish for a return to communism but still defend Putin's atrocities. :|

For some reason I see them less than few years ago. I wonder why...

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