Windows benefited by not being tied to the hardware. So if you could slap together a bunch of parts and swap out a few dozen floppies you could get a Windows machine. Which meant there were a ton of companies making Windows machines for cheaper than Apple could make Macs.

Apple tried to allow clones, but ran into the same problem because the clone makers could make cheaper machines by slapping together parts.

[–] the_radness@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's a shame that they won't just release macOS as a standalone product, even if it requires specific hardware to run. I would pay for it in a heartbeat.

I was actively into the Hackintosh scene in the early 10s. You could have an insanely powerful build (albeit the parts had to be compatible), and it would still be half the price of a lower end Mac Pro.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Apple is fundamentally a hardware company that uses features, workflows, and integrations to keep people buying hardware.

They’re never going to do something than undercuts hardware sales ever again.

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

insee it as apple is a full vertical stack conpany who doesnt want to share its vertical stack as it cuts into their profit.

its what nvidia is trying to do, and if windows for arm takes off, i bet that nvidia is ready to attempt to remove all competition on windows due to how reliant some sectors of the industry are for nvidia hardware

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Apple tried to allow clones, but ran into the same problem because the clone makers could make cheaper machines by slapping together parts.

Yeah, this is exactly what happened, although some of the clone brands were perfectly high-quality (Power Computing in particular made great machines, usually the fastest on the market). In the Mac community at the time, a lot of people (myself included) wished Apple would just exit the hardware business and focus on what they were good at: software.

Then Steve Jobs came back and did exactly the opposite of that. First order of business was to kill cloning. Then came the iPod.

To be fair, the next generation of Power Macs after that were about half the price of the previous gen.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Prior to Steve coming back Apple had a ton of different product lines. You had three or four models of Performa, then two different lines of Power Macs, three different Powerbooks, and even some servers. This wasted a ton of effort and resources maintaining all these product lines.

Steve divided the segments in to four quadrants on two axes: Portable vs. Desktop and Consumer vs. Professional. I think if they'd have started with simplifying their product line there might still be a market for the clones.

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 months ago

Totally agree. Their product line was an absolute mess back then. Their current lineup is getting a little bloated too. I don't know why they bother having two laptop product lines anymore when they are so similar.