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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

nobody has the right answers; but we all know what the wrong ones are because we keep doing them and here we are.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

we all know what the wrong ones are

You mean letting Trump/Bush/etc win because Biden/Obama/Clinton didn't give us everything we wanted fast enough? At least there's progress under Democrats.

Democrats aren't perfect by any means, but both sides aren't the same either and in our current system one or the other is going to win.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

You mean letting Trump/Bush/etc win because Biden/Obama/Clinton didn't give us everything we wanted fast enough? At least there's progress under Democrats.

Democrats are not giving us anything we wanted, there is no progress, just continued Capitalist decline.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

didn’t give us everything we wanted fast enough

it's more like didn't give us anything we needed.

Also 0.8 worth of good presidents out of 46 is worse odds than a broken clock but, atleast with a broken clock, you're guaranteed 2 good intervals on a regular bases.

and that's why they're not the right answers; it's a systems that intentionally setup to give you shittiest choices and forces you to abide by them to make sure that you never get a good president; merely a very slightly less worse one while simultaneously teaching you to despise anyone who tries to point this out.

meanwhile other places have much better voting systems and our system has so americanized you that you don't believe that those systems can also work here or, atleast, you've been conditioned to believe that we MUST select either a republican or a democrat.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

A clock that keeps perfect time never reads the correct time. Non sequitur, I just think it's interesting.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They are. They absolutely are. One gives you all the social conservatism that the ruling class will permit you to have, and one gives you all the social progressiveness that the ruling class will permit you to have. They both work for the exact same interests. Whether or not the state allows gay marriage or abortion is totally irrelevant to the ruling class, has zero effect on their lives, and they give and take these things cynically not to advance a political cause but just to keep us scurrying back and forth, oscillating between panic and ersatz vindication, giving cover to allow them to shape the world 50 years from now into anything they please without any meaningful oversight or democratic input.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That's absolute bullshit.

There was a story within the last twelve hours about the Biden administration investing millions of dollars in a steel mill in Ohio with quotes from the workers about how they're still voting for Trump.

Trump, on the other hand, was willing to let people in Democrat heavy cities and states die during COVID to get a political win.

Try feeding your shit to someone Kushner didn't try to kill to win his father-in-law a couple extra votes.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

They are appealing to different people with different methods, but their ultimate ends are more aligned with each other than with you and I.