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A federal judge yesterday ordered the Biden administration to halt a wide range of communications with social media companies, siding with Missouri and Louisiana in a lawsuit that alleges Biden and his administration violated the First Amendment by colluding with social networks "to suppress disfavored speakers, viewpoints, and content."

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[–] effingjoe@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People posting pro horse-medicine posts on social media aren't ever going to be doing anything close to "science".

And this romantic concept of "questioning is the heart and soul of science" is just a banal platitude. Rigorous testing and record keeping is the heart and soul of science. Latching on to conspiracy theories is not even tangentially related to science.

[–] C4RP3_N0CT3M@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You've got to do your homework. This has already been proven to be a false narrative set up by MSNBC and CNN (and their subsidiaries). You're behind. Ivermectin has been prescribed to humans for decades.

[–] LifeInOregon@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But not for coronaviruses. For parasites. And not in the doses that are intended for animals, but for humans. And not purchased from a farm supply store, but through a pharmacy.

[–] C4RP3_N0CT3M@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not what I said though. They spread a lie by saying it was only for horses, and were never silenced or corrected. They were allowed to lie. "Rules for thee, but not rules for me."

[–] snipgan@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some people were actually buying the horse variant of it...

[–] C4RP3_N0CT3M@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd like a verified source showing this was actually occurring at any sort of large scale. Assuming you have it, does that make it okay to suggest Ivermectin (the drug) is only for horses like the media did? Is lying okay when it's done to save lives? I'm just curious.

[–] snipgan@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] C4RP3_N0CT3M@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That story uses only anecdotal, non-scientifically recorded data. 50 - 60 calls a day simply to ask about it, and one or two cases of people actually using it. This same story claims people were drinking hand sanitizer, I guess we need to start lying about that as well.

[–] snipgan@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Poison centers are still responding to events related to COVID-19," said Julie Weber, president of the American Association of Poison Control Centers and director of the Missouri Poison Center. "On average, we are getting over 40 to 50 calls per day in addition to what we would normally get pre-pandemic."

Unless you are saying the president of Missouri's Poison Center is lying, then this is still substantive.

And more than what you have provided so far. Can't claim it is lie either without evidence.

[–] C4RP3_N0CT3M@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They literally don't provide any data. It could be one call and they'd say they're "still responding."

[–] snipgan@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] C4RP3_N0CT3M@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They don't even say the 50-60 calls they are getting are just for Ivermectin, just that they're related to COVID. Why do you think they worded it that way, to be misleading maybe?

[–] snipgan@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You didn't read the article did you?

[–] C4RP3_N0CT3M@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're being extremely disrespectful. I did in fact read the article, but it's clearly a biased article with no actual measured data.

[–] snipgan@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

No you didn’t. It talks about it.

Making another claim about bias won’t help you. And still leaves the rest of what I said.

[–] effingjoe@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You suspiciously left out all the context of the discussion. I can only imagine why you'd do this. Haha

Horse dewormer was mentioned because that's what the maga cultists were using, because (sane) doctors wouldn't prescribe it to humans for a coronavirus.

You agree that Ivermectin isn't for coronavirus, right? Right?

[–] C4RP3_N0CT3M@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There has been little to no research allowed that might prove otherwise, but some countries (that were denied access to the vaccine for profit reasons) seemed to have great success using it. That being said, calling it a horse dewormer within context is literally just lying. I actually give them a chance when I leave out said context.

[–] effingjoe@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Little to no research? Did you bother looking? I found quite a few on Google scholar. Here's one: https://www.kumc.edu/about/news/news-archive/jama-ivermectin-study.html

Do you mean little to no research that comes to the conclusion that you want?

[–] C4RP3_N0CT3M@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We're not talking about that. You keep trying to change my argument to saying that the virus leaked from a lab; I'm not supporting that. I'm saying the DIRECTOR OF THE CDC was sidelined because he believed there was enough evidence not to rule it out, which is what the narrative was at the time and WHY he was sidelined. We may never know, because the research isn't being done.

[–] effingjoe@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have some self respect.

There has been little to no research allowed that might prove otherwise, but some countries (that were denied access to the vaccine for profit reasons) seemed to have great success using it.

The "it" they were using is clearly horse dewormer. Not sidelined CDC directors.

Also, just putting this out there. You can see who upvotes and downvotes any given comment.

[–] C4RP3_N0CT3M@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure what you're suggesting, Ivermectin could be used as both, but countries that were using it had been prescribing it to humans for quite a while, so I'm not sure where you're getting your information.

[–] CoCoIchibanCurry@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I find that it is often the case that people who say "do your homework/research" (wrt science/news) were the very same students who wouldn't do their homework.