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The trouble with England – why rioting in the UK has not spread to Scotland and Wales (nation.cymru)

submitted 3 months ago by Emperor@feddit.uk to c/unitedkingdom@feddit.uk

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The violent unrest that has caused so much damage in the UK has not in fact happened across the UK. It has almost been exclusively confined to England.

True, violent riots also took place in Belfast, Northern Ireland, but, interestingly enough, even there they were largely perpetrated by British loyalists, along with a few far-right extremists from Dublin.

The counter-protestors were seemingly mostly drawn from Northern Ireland’s Catholic community.

At least up until now, Scotland and Wales have remained peaceful. When considering why this is the case, we might look at how the English are positioned within the United Kingdom.

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After all the mess has been cleared from the streets, it would be advisable for the government and society as a whole, to have a debate about what “England” and “Englishness” stand for in a Union profoundly divided by rising nationalism and in a world where Britannia no longer rules the waves.

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 18 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Northern Irish Protestant loyalists are essentially Englishman cosplayers. Just look at their Orangeman parades, with their bowler hats and Masonic aprons.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Englishmen now? Scotland would like their Presbyterians back 😉 .

[–] addie@feddit.uk 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd suggest that we do not. How about we split the difference, and drop them off halfway between Belfast and Stranraer, say?

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago

In the sea? Deal 🤝.

[–] apis@beehaw.org 4 points 3 months ago

Nah, they're nutters with very weird ideas about Britishness, Irishness & everything else, but they no more look to the English for ideas about their own identity & how to manifest it than the English look to NI loyalists as a guide.

If anything they tend to rather despise Englishness, seeing their own culture as the one true, loyal holdout to the Union.

The aprons do seek to emulate Masonic regalia, but the ideals of the Orange Order are entirely contrary to those of Freemasonry, which in any case is not specifically English or even British.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As in, Northern Irish cosplaying English or English cosplaying Northern Irish? If it's the latter, Northern Ireland is not made up of English planters contrary to popular belief, nor is it in the UK because it was "stolen" by the English

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 3 points 3 months ago

Northern Irish Protestants playing English, or affecting an exaggerated Englishness to differentiate themselves from the Papists and their ways

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago

This is very true.