I don’t understand why the Iraqi government doesn’t just give the militias the tacit permission to help the US out? The current government of Afghanistan showed the world how it is done.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well, militias regularly shoot at American bases and Iraqi government does nothing about it, so it can probably be considered an unspoken permission.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

I was hoping the resistance against US troops would increase. I think what complicates the situation for the Iraqi resistance is the competing allegiances between the different sects and ethnic groups. They aren’t as united as the Afghans were in resisting US occupation and its puppet regime.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because diplomacy may be slower at achievements of desired outcomes, but also longer-lasting, and hopefully better for regular people who have suffered enough horrors of war (declared or not)?

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The Iraqi government has been asking since the Obama years. It is clear that diplomacy is not something the US does.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

First sentence: I am very well aware, and opposed the invasion, from the beginning. Second sentence: I can see that perspective and largely agree, except we seem very much to value deplomacy, wholly on our own terms. Nonetheless, no need pushing us all closer to a nuclear world war, or even another "incursion" and punish the people of Iraq more. We've seen what that does and escalation, as well. And there may be alternative solutions between your point and mine I'm currently failing to see, and I acknowledge I may feel very differently, if I lived there. I would advocate for peace, solely for the sake of those who have already suffered, so much, under the heel of my country. I mean no disrespect or ill will, brother. Salam.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I disagree. The Afghan approach worked, diplomacy doesn’t. For the sake of those who have suffered, it is an insult to allow US troops to remain in Iraq. It is an insult that they are in any Arab country to be honest, but most Arab governments ignore the will of the people.

Nonetheless, no need pushing us all closer to a nuclear world war, or even another “incursion” and punish the people of Iraq more.

Sounds like you are listing your fears. We don't share them with you. We didn't chose this fate, but liberation comes at a cost and freedom isn't free.

If the Afghans can liberate themselves from US occupation, so can the Iraqis as far as I see it.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Possibly; I think the Afghani organized leaders had a well -thought strategy and the benefit of a different US leader who was ruled by their own fears and very much ruled by passion, in general, and displays they made tell of it.

Sounds like you are listing your fears. We don't share them with you. We didn't chose this fate, but liberation comes at a cost and freedom isn't free.

Of course not. Last I checked, I'm still a decent shot with an AR, although my personal firearms are with an elderly relative, because they're more fragile than me. I do, however, take the view listed in #31, here: https://github.com/nrrb/tao-te-ching/blob/master/Ursula%20K%20Le%20Guin.md , while also being poignantly aware that's probably a position of considerably more privilege than Afghanis or Iraqis. I won't shirk an unavoidable battle, but I will always, always seek a peaceful resolution, where possible, for the sake of everyone, including the periferal people of both parties. War is an atrocity that causes horrendous suffering, for all of God's/Allah's creation, whether once would consider that literally or figuratively, in my view. A salaam alaikum, my brother or sister. I've no quarrel with you, while also urging peace where possible., for the sake of those who will suffer, for it, who do not take up arms.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Afghanistan has peace after it was liberated from US occupation. Iraq can achieve peace the same way. I don’t understand why are you trying to threaten us with war, when US troops are already here. No one is following you home, we just demand that you leave.

There’s nothing for you to offer and we don’t want what you are selling. It is natural for any people to reject military occupation and foreign soldiers on their land. But I think either you don’t understand honor or dignity or you deny it to others out of racism and bigotry. Which confirms that the Afghans got it right; meanwhile the Iraqis by trying diplomacy are wasting their time.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 months ago

I wasn't threatening war; if you mean the US in general, I understand all too well, and it's nothing to do with liberation of the people; and that peace seems very constricted, for a great many. Back to reasons, that seems to be very much about resources.

It is natural for any people to reject military occupation and foreign soldiers on their land.

I wholly agree, and my comment history shows that.