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Please don't put any hate comments against the developers of lemmy or against the person who posted this.

I am also unhappy about what the main lemmy instance is doing.

What are your thoughts?

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[–] nikifa@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (28 children)

The developers of lemmy are self-admidded tankies, what else to expect?

Tankies and the Left-Unity Scam https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-tankies-and-the-left-unity-scam

[–] poVoq@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (8 children)

I wish people would stop sharing that article which is written by someone with equality questionable ethics as those he likes to call "tankies". And who btw is a developer of a "competing" Reddit alternative.

[–] nikifa@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I must admit I don't know the author to well, but usually when people claim this anti-authoritarian is as bad as this authoritarian in regards of ziq (the author), people refer to his anticiv position. Anticiv get usually misrepresented and miss understood. I can understand why, but that doesn't make them as bad as the "tankie".

If you need a read on anticiv theory, you might enjoy reading something from Abdullah Öcalan leader of the PKK, which has Marxist-Leninist tradition.

[–] poVoq@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

I recommend you to read some other articles by this author and maybe do a web-search on him admitting to faking multiple accounts as sockpuppets to push his agenda on raddle.me.

As for anticiv... some of them are misunderstood and misrepresented as you say, just as some Marxist-Leninist are misunderstood and misrepresented by calling them "tankies". Hence my comment on "equally questionable".

However some anticiv people are really just crypto eco-fascists, just as some marxist-leninists are really just crypto fascists with a leftist lore.

I haven't fully made up my mind about which of the two categories this ziq falls into, but some of his other articles makes me suspect he is on the way to become the latter.

[–] nikifa@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I recommend you to read some other articles by this author

I did already, not my favorite author but I haven't read anything that is comparable bad with ML

do a web-search on him admitting to faking multiple accounts as sockpuppets

I am aware of that. The author admitted their wrong doing, and because of his behavior stepped down as moderator, at least temporarily. I don't know about the current status. To those he caused the most harm by his behavior, they made piece with it and remain in friendship afaik. If you need the backround story to all that, I can dick it out for you.

However some anticiv people are really just crypto eco-fascists

some primies are like that. I did read threads how ziq makes fun of their nonsense.

[–] poVoq@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

Yes I think he does not realize himself that some of his expressed believes are dangerously close to eco-fascism.

In general I recommend you to take a step back and reconsider if your ideological leanings are not making you see some ML ideas as worse then they are. After all they have been the dominant leftist group for a long time and thus attracted some questionable people as well as very detailed anti-authoritarian criticism.

Anticiv ideas on the other hand are not well explored in detail at all and most leftist thinkers opposed to the ideas did not spend considerable effort into criticizing them, hence it is easy to live in a positive anticiv bubble pretending that there are no inherently very problematic ideas contained in it.

[–] nikifa@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

After all they have been the dominant leftist group for a long time and thus attracted some questionable people as well....

You mean like Lenin? It's not "some", it's the majority, and it's their leaders.

[–] poVoq@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

Yes for example Lenin (who was basically a counter-revolutionary as explained in Emma Goldman's book on the topic). But today's Marxist-Leninists are not all hardcore Lenin fanboys; it is a diverse group of people with different ideas and some misconceptions due to a long history of Soviet Union propaganda.

[–] nikifa@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago

But today’s Marxist-Leninists are not all hardcore Lenin fanboys

And then most tankies when I call them tankies:

Please call us something-Lenin. ....but sure, Lenin isn't among their masters. I don't buy into this.

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