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The developers of lemmy are self-admidded tankies, what else to expect?
Tankies and the Left-Unity Scam https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-tankies-and-the-left-unity-scam
That "essay" reads like a terminally online rant lol, sorry. I was made aware of it some time ago and we had a good laugh about it, because it feels like it was written by an angsty pre-teen, but this is a full-grown adult chasing strawmen in his head and the best examples he can find to illustrate his arguments is online drama and shitposting. I did have a good laugh when he said Raddle was an illegalist space, because I had to look into it afterwards and even other anarchists find this ideology questionable (I still don't really understand how clearly self-motivated gangsters were later found to be anarchists either, because I couldn't find these original illegalists calling themselves anarchists).
Edit: i was actually thinking of https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-eradicate-left-unity, I got confused by the names being similar. Keeping this comment up because ziq is too funny not to share lol
I wish people would stop sharing that article which is written by someone with equality questionable ethics as those he likes to call "tankies". And who btw is a developer of a "competing" Reddit alternative.
I must admit I don't know the author to well, but usually when people claim this anti-authoritarian is as bad as this authoritarian in regards of ziq (the author), people refer to his anticiv position. Anticiv get usually misrepresented and miss understood. I can understand why, but that doesn't make them as bad as the "tankie".
If you need a read on anticiv theory, you might enjoy reading something from Abdullah Öcalan leader of the PKK, which has Marxist-Leninist tradition.
I recommend you to read some other articles by this author and maybe do a web-search on him admitting to faking multiple accounts as sockpuppets to push his agenda on raddle.me.
As for anticiv... some of them are misunderstood and misrepresented as you say, just as some Marxist-Leninist are misunderstood and misrepresented by calling them "tankies". Hence my comment on "equally questionable".
However some anticiv people are really just crypto eco-fascists, just as some marxist-leninists are really just crypto fascists with a leftist lore.
I haven't fully made up my mind about which of the two categories this ziq falls into, but some of his other articles makes me suspect he is on the way to become the latter.
I did already, not my favorite author but I haven't read anything that is comparable bad with ML
I am aware of that. The author admitted their wrong doing, and because of his behavior stepped down as moderator, at least temporarily. I don't know about the current status. To those he caused the most harm by his behavior, they made piece with it and remain in friendship afaik. If you need the backround story to all that, I can dick it out for you.
some primies are like that. I did read threads how ziq makes fun of their nonsense.
Yes I think he does not realize himself that some of his expressed believes are dangerously close to eco-fascism.
In general I recommend you to take a step back and reconsider if your ideological leanings are not making you see some ML ideas as worse then they are. After all they have been the dominant leftist group for a long time and thus attracted some questionable people as well as very detailed anti-authoritarian criticism.
Anticiv ideas on the other hand are not well explored in detail at all and most leftist thinkers opposed to the ideas did not spend considerable effort into criticizing them, hence it is easy to live in a positive anticiv bubble pretending that there are no inherently very problematic ideas contained in it.
You mean like Lenin? It's not "some", it's the majority, and it's their leaders.
Yes for example Lenin (who was basically a counter-revolutionary as explained in Emma Goldman's book on the topic). But today's Marxist-Leninists are not all hardcore Lenin fanboys; it is a diverse group of people with different ideas and some misconceptions due to a long history of Soviet Union propaganda.
And then most tankies when I call them tankies:
Please call us something-Lenin. ....but sure, Lenin isn't among their masters. I don't buy into this.
Completly agree. Also, this is a topic that needs years of research and diplomacy as it is inherently tainted by propaganda (from all sides). It is pointless (and petty) to act as if there is a way of telling right from wrong at this stage. People need to cool their jets befor crying and accusing others of malicious intent. Personally, I am as left as it gets and that is why I like lemmy/lemmygrad. It is just refreshing to see this in the current internet!
huh, why the downvotes? Because I used the term tankies, but you prefer to be called Marxist-Leninist? When contemporary anti-authoritarians use the term tankie, they usually refer to contemporary Marxist-Leninist. Hope that explanation helps. So when I say you are Marxist-Leninst, I mean you are tankie.
We had that discussion here on Lemmy many times before. "Tankie" is just a slur by now, with no real meaning left other then the intended slur part of it. P.S.: I am not a Marxist-Leninist.
Would you prefer we refer to you as dronie or anarkiddie?
you're aware that dev of lemmy use the term tankie as a self description too?
Same logic as saying that Black people use the n word colloquially and therefore it's fine to use it as a slur.
Genuinely curious: Is Tankie a slur? I've seen more communists use it than noncommunists. Though that might simply reveal who I like to hang out with more.
Tankie is a pejorative term that originates with CPGB to denounce the use of tanks by the Soviet during the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. Recently it's been picked up by Anarchists and liberals as a slur against people who support existing socialist states like China or Cuba. Communists tend to use it ironically nowadays because the term pretty much lost all meaning at this point.
I wouldn't understand what dronie is so that term might not well serve the purpose if used to address me. If you address me as anarkiddie, it be enough for a tiny giggle, but then I'll be remembered how that term is actually discrimination against children. It helps to reproduce adultism over and over again.
Dronie refers to the fact that anarchist positions are always aligned with US foreign policy. It's exact same rationale as the tankie slur you love so much. Meanwhile, anarkiddie refers to the fact that full grown adults hold infantile views of the world.
hmm, ok. This wouldn't fit me. I'm opposing US foreign policy in most parts, not all I must admit. I'm for: Dismantle the US empire. It's just a phrase, but I mean it like that.
You're literally peddling US state propaganda in this thread.
Since you're clearly ideologically opposed to Marxist-Leninist views, why are you here?
lemmy.ml is also for anarchists, right?
Sure, I'm just wondering why the particular person is here since they seem to be ideologically opposed to the fact that Lemmy devs are MLs. All I see from them is personal attacks and bad faith arguments.
Yes. @yogthos@lemmy.ml does not speak for the majority here.
I don't care about what people's views are as long as they're respectful to views of others, and are willing to have discussions in good faith. My issue with @nikifa@lemmy.ml is that they make personal attacks, use slurs, and make bad faith arguments.
I can be ideologically opposed to anything, and still take the courage to engage with such individuals. I don't want to live in cult, with anyone part of that just going to agree with me. I let my ideas be confronted by those who oppose me. They will either stand or be dismantled. Both will have a positive outcome for me, and that is learning. Either I stand corrected afterwards, or I will have learned more about your habit, thought patterns and communities. This is intel activity, done by an random anarcho[...]
You clearly don't have the courage to engage with individuals in good faith or have any interest in educating yourself on the subjects that you choose to engage on. You also quite clearly not interested in learning, as you simply dismiss information that doesn't fit with your preconceptions. All you do is throw around slurs and make personal attacks. What you're doing is generally known as trolling.