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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying the past hasn't led us to this. I'm saying that the current GOP is corrupt and rotten to a level that it never was before, and their supporters' opinion matters less than it ever did before. So

And they assume the same of you.

doesn't mean what it used to.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

the current GOP is corrupt and rotten to a level that it never was before

More corrupt than when Bush used the phoney threat of nuclear terrorism to commit a Holocaust in Iraq?

More corrupt than when Reagan's CIA was running cocaine through Latin America to fund death squads on behalf of the United Fruit Company and Coca Cola?

More corrupt than the multiple democracies overthrown by the Eisenhower Administration - from Brazil to Egypt to Iran?

More corrupt than Rutherford B Hayes ending Reconstruction for the House votes he needed to take the presidency?

I'm not feeling it.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, because now they're not bothering to hide it. They're trying to normalize it. Worse still, they're trying to paint people who don't want their fascism as the strange ones. They're so corrupt and rotten they aren't even bothering with the thin veneer of respectability, and they're succeeding in changing the character of the entire country.

Previous GOP regimes did evil things and made Americans complicit. Now they're actively trying to make America evil.

They're absolutely worse now.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, because now they’re not bothering to hide it.

They're not coordinated and sophisticated enough to hide it.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The ones at the top of the ticket, sure. But the ones who are actually behind all of this—the Mitch McConnells and the other various GOP strategists—they're pretty devious. Smart in an evil way. They got right-wing media on their side, and then they got the mainstream media to cover them as if what they were doing was normal, and only then did they start trying to make it seem like their brand of fascism was the norm and not something antithetical to American values. At which point they could run a candidate like Trump and not be completely ruining their image.

Though it does seem like Trump was worse even than they thought; much less coordinated and completely unsophisticated.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the ones who are actually behind all of this—the Mitch McConnells and the other various GOP strategists

Are increasingly being forced into the Democratic Party by the baser reactionaries in the GOP. Guys like Micheal Bloomberg and Bill Kristol and "The Lincoln Project" have largely decamped from the Republican organization and started clustering around guys like Joe Manchin.

Trump was worse even than they thought

He didn't toe the ideological line. He committed blasphemy after blasphemy - shaking hands with our nation's enemies, not offering enough lip service to The Troops, failing to keep a polite distance from Christian fundamentalists, ostrasizing too many domestic business interests and their media flaks.

He hurt the GOP coalition as much as the country overall. They're no longer even pretending to be a Big Tent, like they claimed under Bush and Reagan.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

decamped from the Republican organization and started clustering around guys like Joe Manchin.

Rats sinking a leaving ship.

He hurt the GOP coalition as much as the country overall.

Here's hoping even more. They thought they could use him and found out they couldn't control him.