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US President Joe Biden has said he is not confident there will be a peaceful transition of power if Donald Trump loses the presidential election in November.

"[Trump] means what he says, we don’t take him seriously. He means it, all this stuff about ‘if we lose it will be a bloodbath’.”

Mr Trump’s comment that it would “be a bloodbath for the country” if he loses the election, made as he was talking about the auto industry in March, triggered a wave of criticism.

The Trump campaign, however, said the comment was specifically about the auto industry and had been deliberately taken out of context. It sent a fundraising email which said Trump’s political opponents and others had been "viciously" misquoting him.

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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 62 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I think Biden, being freed up and all, should spend some time fortifying the election results. I know the election is inherently flawed but there should be systems in place to stop another Jan 6th. Do some maintenance. Get commitments from the states themselves. Jus saying.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (59 children)

Ditch the electoral college, certify the election with a popular vote, adopt ranked choice.

But then the 1% would become the 10% and I'm sorry but that just won't do, it's a very nuanced system that boils down to Rich good Poor bad. /s

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

He can't just change the Constitution.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's absolutely true. However with the SCOTUS rulings as of late regarding the Executive branch, it could be fun to try.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

If we ever get a trifecta again we need to kill the filibuster and then pass a law to expand Congress so the EC is effectively locked to the national result. As a bonus it seriously hurts lobbyists and gives us better representation.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Roll back Citizens United while we're at it.

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[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I think it would be a worthwhile exercise to draft up some amendments to fix the SCOTUS and lopsided representation problems.

It won't pass. 0% chance. But , it would serve as a blueprint of what could be if voters gave them a super majority. And a foundation for a time in the distant future if both parties could actually govern in good faith again.

And it would signal to voters that the Dems are looking to improve our government, not just cling to the status quo like many voters (here, at least) seem to think.

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[–] Jesusaurus@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

This relies on the States acting in the best interest of the country as a whole, which as we have seen, has not been the case for many southern states

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Jan 6th only happened because Trump let it happen.

If Trump wins, Biden will transfer power. Of that, I have 100% confidence.

If Trump loses, he has no authority to command government personnel, so him riling up people to storm the capitol this time will almost certainly be met with resistance.

I'm actually much more confident that nothing as bad as J6 will happen again, at least not this election cycle. I do think he needs to spend some time putting safeguards into place to prevent the abuse of the clear weakspots in our election system, namely the certification process itself being flawed if controlled by partisan sycophants.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Not as long as there are red states. Ensuring electors may be a major fuck you to the whole process

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have faith that when the lawsuits come down hard on those guys, they'll drop their tough guy act and certify.

The supreme court is lined with heritage foundation lackies. The courts are beyond useless.

[–] ulkesh@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think Biden, being freed up and all, should spend some time fortifying the election results.

100% agreed.

I know the election is inherently flawed

Aside from Trump and his ilk getting his ilk installed as election workers who have vowed to disrupt the election any way they can, how exactly is it "inherently" flawed? Pretty sure this way of thinking is why these people feel emboldened to question the elections. There was no inherent flaw in 2020. And every single court ruled as such.

[–] 0laura@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

first past the post is kinda a shitty system, it results in a two party system, which isn't good. but to start fixing that you'd need to redo all of politics and that's never going to happen.

[–] ulkesh@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Sorry, I meant the mechanics of the election isn't inherently flawed (except in GA now where counties can just decide not to certify at will). I would agree that voting should be changed, nationwide, to ranked choice.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They may be talking about the fact that you can win the presidency with a minority of votes. They're right about that, but the actual vote counting is pretty secure, as the courts have decided.

[–] ulkesh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, that makes sense. Would 100% agree then.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

He's probably nervous regarding GOP fearmongering.

Any attempts by him to shore up security around the election will be labeled by Republicans as tampering and he probably doesn't want to be responsible for anything to come out of that especially if he's going into retirement after this term.

Obviously they're going to fearmonger regarding election results anyways despite being the ones who are more than likely going to attempt to alter the results but it'd still be adding fuel to the fire that he'll have to deal with. Don't really need to have the entire discussion on Republicans, their lack of logic and Democrats sometimes not quite being up to the task of dealing with the dumb fuckery put forth by them.

He'll have my utmost respect if he goes above and beyond to do this anyways though.