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Linda Burney says there is everything to gain and nothing to lose by supporting the Voice (www.abc.net.au)
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[โ€“] Paradoxvoid@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The way the whole proposition has been framed (rightly or wrongly) is it's a pet-project for Albo, and comes across again as white folks telling Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander peoples "this'll be good for you, and it'll work this time ;) "

At the moment I don't see how the voice proposal is any different to the plethora of government agencies and outreach groups that have ultimately failed to make a difference over the years. If the referendum was actually two questions - constitutional recognition for Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander people, and a second one on the voice, there would probably be less resistance; I would hazard a guess that most people in the 'No' camp (except the actual racists) don't have issues with constitutional recognition per se, but with the lack of detail around the Voice itself.

[โ€“] Ilandar@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago

The way the whole proposition has been framed (rightly or wrongly) is it's a pet-project for Albo, and comes across again as white folks telling Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander peoples "this'll be good for you, and it'll work this time ;) "

I agree that Labor has been virtue signalling pretty hard and is basically playing the familiar white saviour role yet again, but don't forget that the Voice was something put to them by Indigenous leaders themselves.

I would hazard a guess that most people in the 'No' camp (except the actual racists) don't have issues with constitutional recognition per se, but with the lack of detail around the Voice itself.

At least in terms of the Blak Sovereignty Movement, they take issue with the constitutional recognition bit but their main concern, and the one that is leading them to vote No, is that the Voice ultimately has no power and is still completely at the whim of the government of the day. They want Treaty and something akin to the model used in New Zealand, where Indigenous representatives actually have real power within the established political system.