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[–] Ab_intra@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Do your research. This has been a hidden secret in the international community for decades. Isreal did fund them to keep the tension high between them and the Palestinian authority. When even the foreign menister of my own country confirmed this I was really surprised as well. But nothing should really supprise anyone about this conflict. It's in Isreals interest to keep this conflict on going.

I respect that you got another opinion but maybe you should look into it and see that it is true. I don't spread misinformation, that is the worst thing I know about. I try to always have my fact straight.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you take a moment to actually look into these claims that Israel funded Hamas, you'll find that it's exactly what I'm describing.

Please, send me a source that describes exactly what Israel did - not an out of context quote, not a vague accusation, but what specific actions or mechanism Israel used to help Hamas. You will find only actions that Palestinian advocates were calling for.

It's easy to start from the point of view that Israel is bad and deserves everything that happens to them. It's a lot harder to look at objective facts and think critically for yourself.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They literally enabled suitcases full of cash into Hamas from Qatar. And he's said in public statements, it's important to keep Hamas strong to balance the Palestinian Authority and prevent a Palestinian state.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

As I said, they allowed international aid, on an approved schedule. Or do you think that the ruling party of Gaza should not be allowed to move money they raised for the people of Gaza into the strip?

Hamas already raised the money and it was facilitated by Qatar.

Israel is criticized for keeping funds out of Gaza and for letting funds into Gaza? Does that really make sense, or is that what a pundit told you to think?

[–] RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Normally in football, they keep the goal posts still.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

Exactly right:

Palestinian activists: Israel needs to ease border restrictions and allow more goods and funds into Gaza!

Israel: (Does that)

Palestinian activists: Why are you helping Hamas??

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What? That's not what happened in that article at all. These weren't public aid funds being sent to Gaza intercepted by Hamas, or whatever you are trying to say. These were secret payments given to Hamas that Israel found out about and allowed anyway so that the terrorist group could be strengthened against the then legitimate government of Palestinian. Suitcases of cash aren't for legit payments lol.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hamas is the ruling body in Gaza. Where do you think donations go? Who do you think is receiving them on the other end?

This was the first step of easing restrictions as a show of good faith. It was literally allowing money that people had donated to Gaza enter Gaza.

Hamas agreed to cool the rocket attacks on Israeli civilians, and Israel agreed to begin easing border restrictions.

Don't take it from me, here is AP News:

The Qatari aid went to some 100,000 needy families and to pay the salaries of civil servants in the Hamas-run government.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

That was what Netanyahu said out loud but he's also a known liar. You're ignoring the other statements with their true intentions.

As far back as December 2012, Mr. Netanyahu told the prominent Israeli journalist Dan Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Mr. Margalit, in an interview, said that Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.

Shlomo Brom, a retired general and former deputy to Israel’s national security adviser, said an empowered Hamas helped Mr. Netanyahu avoid negotiating over a Palestinian state.

“One effective way to prevent a two-state solution is to divide between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank,” he said in an interview. The division gives Mr. Netanyahu an excuse to disengage from peace talks, Mr. Brom said, adding that he can say, “I have no partner.”

Bezalel Smotrich, a far-right politician who is now Mr. Netanyahu’s finance minister, put it bluntly in 2015, the year he was elected to Parliament.

“The Palestinian Authority is a burden,” he said. “Hamas is an asset.”

There's video clips and everything.