Found this post super informative as it relates to Mastodon, and thought Lemmy might also benefit from this perspective. I'm not sure I share his optimism, but his points seem sound to dampen some of the alarm bells over Meta joining the Fediverse.

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[–] danhakimi@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You could argue that this is what happened to Jabber.

Although Facebook Messenger never made a good faith attempt to interoperate with Jabber in the first place.

[–] takeda@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was Google's GTalk not Facebook's Messenger.

Facebook never needed Jabber for their messenger.

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was both, but Facebook Messenger was less widely known and was kind of janky. here's a source that explains part of what was going on.

https://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/44482/can-you-send-messages-to-facebook-users-from-external-xmpp-servers

[–] takeda@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Ah I see, so they never federated with XMPP. This would be comparable if they would take Mastodon server and build Threads from it, but never connected it to the Fediverse.

GTalk used Jabber to help bootstrap their I'm then stole part of Jabber's user base.