this post was submitted on 05 Jul 2023
340 points (100.0% liked)
196
16450 readers
2865 users here now
Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.
Rule: You must post before you leave.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
“individual consumers are responsible for environmental problems” is such an insidious lie and i had hoped not to see it on 196
Companies are responsible, sure, but why not do your part in making a difference? Apart from there not being any justification for killing animals for pleasure.
You know humans have evolved to eat meat? Hunting animals is literally a core feature of us as an animal. It's much easier to have a healthy omnivorous diet than a vegan one because our bodies are adapted to consume animal and plants together. It's not a fact you can ignore and it's the reason why vegans need artificial supplements or risk severe health issues.
Not even a vegan but this is such a bad argument lmao. Are you hunting the animals you eat? If not, you're not just eating meat, you are directly participating in a system that tortures them before they die. Factory farms are horrific. If you're gonna eat meat and animals products, fine, but don't pretend like it's just "what's natural."
Yeah and it's natural to eat animals, we didn't hunt them for fun! How can you not understand this?
You are not hunting the animals. Go set traps in the woods, gather a bunch of friends with sharpened sticks and some good throwing rocks, and drive some deer into your traps. That is what's "natural." Again, I think it's fine if you choose to eat meat, but the meat industry is not "natural," nor is it harmless.
Yeah you just described hunting being natural.
Eating meat is also natural, even if meat production techniques are no longer natural.
This isn't an argument about nature though, it's about diet and nutrition. Eating animals is more nutritious for us and vegans require supplements to compensate; this is because we evolved with animal & fish meat as a significant food source. Vegan diets are inherently less healthy than omnivore ones, just like carnivore diets are generally less healthy too.
This isn't to say what vegans are doing isn't a noble endeavor. It largely is noble as it helps the planet. It shouldn't however be seen as the default or that eating meat is abnormal because eating meat is what we were built for. It requires modern dietary planning and supplementation to maintain a healthy vegan lifestyle and it might not even he possible in certain stages of life.