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[–] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If you can deny that an animal's experience has any value, you can do the same to a human.

values are subjective

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Okay? So?

Being cruel and violent to innocent creatures requires that you learn to suspend your empathy. Being cruel and violent to innocent creatures EVERY SINGLE DAY requires that you main your empathy, to actually injure yourself and impair your ability to be empathetic AT ALL.

To respond to your apparent non sequitur, I value compassion and empathy. Don't you?

[–] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I value compassion and empathy

everyone does..not everyone has a problem with eating animals.

[–] rekorse@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And yours are inconsistent. Is there a problem with people pointing that out?

[–] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

no one can value everything the same.. of course they are inconsistent

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't say they had the same value. I said they had value. Consuming them for hedonistic pleasure is only ethically consistent with the view that animals have effectively zero or even negative intrinsic value.

[–] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] rekorse@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All of your efforts at self-preservation seem to disagree.

[–] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

intrinsic value implies objectivity, and i cannot be objective about my own wellbeing.

[–] rekorse@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well your body is just a tool your mind uses to complete tasks right? You can be objective about the tools you use can't you? You could even similarly protect your tools like your mind protects your body if you felt it necessary.

How do you decide what you can be objective about and what you can't?

[–] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

this is far afield from the discussion and I have no interest in entertaining it. have a nice day

[–] rekorse@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Did you not post "nothing has intrinsic value"?