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[–] blazera@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The courts kind of already denying the authority of the legislature on this. These agencies were created and given authority by congress already.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, they've gotten to the point of saying the legislature cannot delegate it's authority. If it stands it functionally makes modern government impossible. If Congress cannot delegate to the executive, and it cannot take on executive style decision like the Westminster system, the government just cannot function.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Let SCOTUS enforce it. Why anyone still listens to that nut job chorus is beyond me.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 7 points 3 months ago

They won't have to. Lower courts do it.

Whats going to happen is that every time a corporation doesn't like a regulation, they will sue to stop it. If possible in the specific case, they will shop for the right circuit court that's stuffed with judges favorable to them. The regulation will be stopped from taking hold while the case is in process. The federal bench is already overloaded, so this will take years. The corp will continue as they were in the meantime.

Even worse, a corp can now bring up cases against old regulations that started affecting them. An old corp getting into a new area, or a spinoff subsidiary taking their old business, could challenge any regulation that suddenly affects them.

This isn't like, say, school integration, where the President helps out the enforcement by sending the National Guard. Everything happens within the courts, plus the agencies respecting a court ordered stop like they always have.

[–] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

They overturned the courts previous decision. Technically it wasn't a law before, it just was heavily implied (as in Congress specifically left things vague bc they wanted federal agencies to fill in the blanks in accordance to the Chevron doctrine).

Basically, there wasn't any part that was unconstitutional, they just said the court was overstepping their boundaries when they "created" the Chevron doctrine.

Edit: please read the comment below, it seems like my understanding wasn't quite right

[–] Rekhyt@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The court basically said it was a separation of powers issue. The basic powers of the branches are:

  • The Legislative (Congress) creates laws
  • The Executive (President) actually puts those laws into action (they are "executed" by this aptly named branch)
  • The Judicial (courts) interpret legality of the actions of the Executive branch based on the wording of the laws passed by Congress, and the constitutionality of those laws (that is, if the law itself is even legal to be enforced)

The Chevron Deference doctrine was the courts saying "Congress occasionally writes laws vaguely and we don't have expertise on every subject matter, so we are going to defer the decision-making of what exactly the law means to actual experts in the Executive branch." Congress has written laws using this logic, intentionally granting power to the Executive branch that would otherwise reside with Congress (i.e. Congress says "how much of X particulate in the air is too much? We could write a specific law stating that 500 ppm is too much, but it's a lot of work to do that for every particulate, and the science gets updated over time, so we'll just tell the Executive to place 'reasonable limits' and call it a day.")

Now the Court has said "That power you've ceded to the Executive branch? That should be ours because it's our job to interpret what laws mean. We now decide how much of X particulate is too much, even when we mix it up with Y particulate."

It's a blatant power grab by the Court and a separation of powers issue. Congress SHOULD be able to remedy it by specifying that this decision-making power should reside with the Executive branch and the Judiciary won't be able to say "no mine". I mean, this Court WILL, but a legitimate Court wouldn't.