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[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Can you expand more on the election interference part?

Totally understand inciting an insurrection to be interference, but using campaign funds to manage public relations problems seems a legitimate use.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

So the falsifying is the illegal bit.

The rest of the tweet is moralising.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Others here have addressed your assertions

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Others here have rejected those assertions.

I have no idea if that statement is true. I just wanted to illustrate how unhelpful your comment was.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Your tactics here are extremely transparent.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My only tactic in this particular thread branch is to encourage you make more effort with your replies.

[–] Wiz@midwest.social 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Others here have addressed your assertions

Is a vacuous comment.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, if he was upfront about things then there would be no criminal case

However saying he set up shell companies to carry out falsification isn’t moralising

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Writing "disgusting transactions" is moralistic.

Doesn't help to win over Republicans.

[–] suction@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't think anyone is still naive enough to think you can win over Republicunts. The way to stop Trump is to battle voter apathy and tear down barriers to vote, because the majority will not vote for Trump if they get to cast their votes.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I read somewhere that higher voter turnout in general benefits Trump (like in 2016).

^(People should still vote though)

[–] suction@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I can find both opinions: Helps Trump / helps Biden, so probably nobody the fuck knows. I am still sure that the reason Trump won in 2016 was too many Democrat voters being put off by Clinton + the "Bernie Bro" crowd staying home.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Agreed.

I would add that some Trump supporters would possibly have been persuaded to vote for Bernie.

[–] krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That was not the legal issue of the case, though. Campaigns have to be very transparent with how they spend contributions, for obvious reasons, and it was easy to prove that this appropriation was obfuscated.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Ah, so it was the obfuscation itself. What was obfuscated is irrelevant.

[–] villainy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

using campaign funds to manage public relations problems seems a legitimate use

It is.

What he did was try to hide payments made to benefit his campaign. Would you consider illegally financing a campaign to be election interference?

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not just the financing, but hiding the Stormy Daniels story during the election. They were using the National Enquirer (yes, I know) to promote Trump, make up stories to bring down his opponents, and hide the Stormy Daniels story (which was needed when the "grab them by the pussy" video leak caused chaos and arguably almost sunk the campaign). THAT'S where the election interference came into play.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They were using the National Enquirer (yes, I know) to promote Trump, make up stories to bring down his opponents, and hide the Stormy Daniels story (which was needed when the "grab them by the pussy" video leak caused chaos and arguably almost sunk the campaign)

Isn't this part a normal election strategy in the US? And not illegal itself?

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, I'm not sure how exactly the law is written. I believe that was a factor out of several that raised the misdemeanor of falsification into a felony (by doing so to conceal a crime). The judge's instructions to the jury was that they needed to be unanimous that a crime was being concealed, but they didn't have to agree on which one(s). Unless some members of the jury go to the media (for their sake, I sure hope they don't) and that gets brought up, we'll probably never know which way that wind was blowing.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Thanks.

In the future I'm sure politicians on all sides will be paying people to keep certain facts quiet. I was just trying to confirm what is legal and what is illegal.